For those who are afraid of the mediation process. Our current contract is better that this TA and we can be sure that a mediator would not see a reason, in this current market, for us to give concessions. AT WORST, we continue to work under c2012. I'll take that over this garbage TA.

Same as c2012, if we don't sign TA early it will hurt company. Can you say shinny jet.
Email your rep. I did.

There's nothing to email your rep about anymore. All you can do now is vote no. I'm not sure where you are based, but I emailed all my base reps numerous times when the rumors started coming out. I am 100 percent against this **** contract. Every single one of my reps voted for it. My emails didn't change a thing. I already stopped doing the survey after C2012, now I'm done emailing my reps.

As usual, DALPA ignored the survey completely did they're own thing. As usual, the company is trying to hold small airplanes over our head to get a forced yes. This thing will pass as usual. Disgusting really.

I was talking about the rush vote. I am a h... No vote. Every single one of my reps voted for it.

Boycott the Road shows. Let them sit there in silence staring at one another. Don't let the spin machine engage. These guys love hearing themselves talk and let you know how smart they are. Don't give them the opportunity. Shut them down. Don't get suckered into the debate. There is no way to get through to that type of person or mindset. I've flown with them and I saw it last time for c2012.

What you have posted here is inaccurate.

You are combining two different things. There is a verification threshold. Verification is done by your M.D.,D.O.,D.D.S., D.C.,D.M.D., or D.P.M., A.P.R.N., P.A. - C, or PhD and is credentialed as a licensed clinical psychologist. Verification is required if you use more than 15 days of sick in a rolling 365 days.

There is a medical release threshold of 24 sick days in a rolling 365 or 52 days in a 3 year period. You must first be provided the opportunity to use your provider to satisfy the medical basis for your sick leave; a medical release must be limited to the specific instance in which a pilot claimed sick leave AND the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave.

These provisions take the CPO out of the verification loop. The only non-medical professional that can be involved in the process is the SVP Flight Operations, and he can only be involved if the medical verification and medical release do not provide sufficient information for them to determine why you used sick leave.

You can read the language in the TA Section 14. The 15 day, 24 day, and 52 day triggers are clearly concessionary. The rest is not, taking non-medical people out of the process, and should enhance our privacy.

Serious question. Is anyone trying to organize volunteers to sit next to the ALPA salesmen in ops so we can get "the rest of the story" out there.

This is one reason I am voting no. I don't think anyone put that in the survey. Thanks to Alpa for representing us. This is a very bad concession.

Read the APC thread "Strategy to Defeat TA2015"


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C2012, we traded PS for pay, we are about to do it again. Post C2012, Delta bought 49% of Virgin, Virgin is about to order wide bodies. Delta invested in GOL, they bought a refinery and 76 seat RJs.

C2015, we are about to trade PS for pay. Delta is poised to expand the international outsourcing of our flying. Buy back billions in stock to enrich the executives who award themselves stock in lieu of salary.

This TA contains the type of concessions that a struggling airline might need. Before you vote, remember every communication we receive from Capt. Steve suggests we are the leaders of the company. Vote like leaders.