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Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1903496)

Professor,

Could you explain this one when you get a chance?

1.E.9.

The Delta MEC Chairman may, at his option, approve the use by a carrier engaged in international partner flying of a trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Company affiliate.

Where did that come from? And why?

This is the most outrageous item in the TA by far. Absolute single issue no vote just on this. WHY is this in there?

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Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1903706)

Everyone needs to go to the chitchat forum and read the post:

What is in a Medical Note? - The pitfalls of Section 14
by Bob Lange

I will try and repost it here later. Sick leave can now be handled in Section 15 (and you can't read Section 15 in the new TA) Physical Examinations. In short, once you're sick 15 days in 365 you have no privacy rights in regards to medical and social history. They can access everything on your medical and social history. And Delta can question the decision your doctor made in giving you a "medical note". This is a huge concession.

WOW!:mad:

His qualifications to comment on the subject are absolutely impeccable!

Denny

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1903789)

The dismantling of delta airlines.

I don't care what the explanation is, this negates our top end scope...completely.

Completely!

I believe you are correct Scambo. I've been watching Richard building our Global Alliance since he got here, one thing is clear to me, our International flying is shrinking (parking 16 747's) while he is investing in a lot of other Airlines (GOL, Aero Mexico, Virgin Atlantic) and they are now doing a lot more International Flying with newer jets. I saw an Aero Mexico 787 parked at one of our gates in Narita last month.

You'll look sweet in that shiny new 737-900, flying ATL-MCO turns or LAX all nighters though...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble (Post 1903512)

Anyone know the origin of the virtual base? This concept sounds like one huge concession.

Bidding? Reserve coverage? Sick leave? Obviously no paid moves.

Was this pushed by a small group of pilots? Effect on staffing, white slips, green slips?

As one of the few who filled out the contract survey, I do not remember this item.

Plus it significantly waters down flying in other "real" bases.

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Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1903770)

Yeah, I was here, bankruptcy sucks we all got the T-Shirt. For me the issue is once bankruptcy is over how do you recover. This MEC has led the way since 2008. US Air sat for a decade with nothing. American 5 years or more. Continental and United 3 years or more. All I know is that I have made a lot more over the last 5 years than my friends at American and United and they are eternally p-o'd at coming to work every day. I like my job and my company and I can read my W-2's.

We were driven into a ditch by crappy management. This MEC has drug us out of the ditch better than anyone else. Not perfectly, but I am not perfect either so I forgive those who trespass against me. This TA is not perfect either but if we wait for a perfect contract we will all be dead first. This is a lot of money for people that need it. I am an optimist, I concentrate on the good, some always concentrate on the bad.

Think long term and big picture. If we accept 8/0/3/3 in a time of record profits we are lowering the bar for every future contract.

What kind of raises so you think we will get next time if the profits decline?
Maybe 2/1/1/1?

I would rather keep my at risk compensation as is. It would also go to zero but would automatically recover with the company.

We are 14 years after 9-11 and our pay rates are not even close to being recovered even though we are wildly more profitable. If we had a similar PS component back then our pay would have resumed with returning DAL profits. Under this TA we only increase our pay rates by "selling" QOL issues at fire-sale prices.

Again - think long term.

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1903756)

Maybe because since bankruptcy, my pay has gone up about $90,000 per year and this TA will add another $50,000 or so. Meanwhile, the rest of the industry is simply riding on our shoulders. That's reason number one.

There is no way your straight pay increased that much in the same seat. You had to have upgraded or are counting your profit sharing in that total. If that is the case you need to figure out how much you lost when your retirement went the way of the dinosaur. If I remember correctly the profit sharing plan was something we negotiated in exchange for not protesting the DB plan termination.

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Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1903756)

Unless you upgraded from MD88 F/O to 777 Captain since bankruptcy you are full of crap! Show your math.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1903801)

Unless you upgraded from MD88 F/O to 777 Captain since bankruptcy you are full of crap! Show your math.

Timbo,

Its possible with longevity, upgrades, PS and a whole lot of GSs.

Ironically if this TA is approved he can write off the PS and GS's in the future but he can't see that because he is fixated on the pay rates.

Scoop :eek:

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1903792)

This is the most outrageous item in the TA by far. Absolute single issue no vote just on this. WHY is this in there?

It's the ultimate expression of the trend begun by Moak - concentrate power in the hands of one man, abetted by loyal acolytes, and then use that power to benefit an agenda that disregards the negative effects on the lowly common man. In Moak's case it was to advance his career beyond DAL. In Donatelli's case I am unsure but it may be the same self-serving agenda, which is predictable and boring. Or it could be a hyped-up case of corporate infatuation, which at least has a more interesting psychological component to it.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1903734)

What you have posted here is inaccurate.

You are combining two different things. There is a verification threshold. Verification is done by your M.D.,D.O.,D.D.S., D.C.,D.M.D., or D.P.M., A.P.R.N., P.A. - C, or PhD and is credentialed as a licensed clinical psychologist. Verification is required if you use more than 15 days of sick in a rolling 365 days.

Worse than we currently have...

There is a medical release threshold of 24 sick days in a rolling 365 or 52 days in a 3 year period. You must first be provided the opportunity to use your provider to satisfy the medical basis for your sick leave; a medical release must be limited to the specific instance in which a pilot claimed sick leave AND the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave.

Much worse than what we have now! I have the "opportunity" to use my own Doctor but who determines whether their "note" is valid? Sounds like the DHS does and there are NO safeguards!

These provisions take the CPO out of the verification loop. The only non-medical professional that can be involved in the process is the SVP Flight Operations, and he can only be involved if the medical verification and medical release do not provide sufficient information for them to determine why you used sick leave.

See above.

You can read the language in the TA Section 14. The 15 day, 24 day, and 52 day triggers are clearly concessionary. The rest is not, taking non-medical people out of the process, and should enhance our privacy.

I think you need to take your rose colored glasses off on this one. There is nothing in here to enhance privacy. In fact it looks like exactly the opposite.

Denny