Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1903419)

Look.

Those are nuggets I don't like either. I am getting up to speed on what all the concessions are as well as the improvements - which there are. On balance if you don't like the TA in its entirety vote no. I am still undecided. If the nuggets are that bad I'll vote no. But right now I'm in no rush and I'll carefully sort through all the details.

But I know now this TA is more money.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1903327)

If this TA passes, the ME3 will be the least of your worries. This TA scopes away jobs on both top and bottom.

Carl

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1903426)

While this would be nice to do, how would you compare? Some got PBGC on our list. Some more, some less. Many are straight 401k's and DC plans.

Then there is the Airways and AW side of 'AA'. Its a nearly impossible task to make comparisons like that. It would be a three dimensional matrices that nobody could do anything with.

I understand your point, but when making comparisons it becomes very difficult to do anything other than point to current compensation.

You can disagree, that is cool. But this is the rationale.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1903434)

This is a HUGE concession. Its not about stopping rolling thunder so much as it is to get everyone in base on the day before they start reserve like before. Nothing on day one before 10am was one of the best QOL improvements to reserves in a long time. Heck, it was noon in all situations until we sold back the 2 hours during the 117 LOA prior to 3pm the day prior.

This will drive both less staffing and less premium pay as now they will be able to cover much more early morning flying with fewer reserves because all reserves on day one will now be on the hook for early SC instead of nothing before 10AM/Noon.

This is an unbelievable give back of flat out treasonous proportions. Absolutely disgusting that we would ever have even entertained this fantasy "shopping cart" idiocy.

Yet another reason to vote heck no.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1903419)

Look.

Those are nuggets I don't like either. I am getting up to speed on what all the concessions are as well as the improvements - which there are. On balance if you don't like the TA in its entirety vote no. I am still undecided. If the nuggets are that bad I'll vote no. But right now I'm in no rush and I'll carefully sort through all the details.

But I know now this TA is more money.

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1903449)

The ALPA machine seems to be making two deminsional colored graphs just fine. With multiple layered assumptions of course.

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1903345)

Understanding the steps to self-help in the RLA is imperative for any unionized worker in the transportation industry. They can be pretty intricate for the first time user. DAL has never gotten to the final steps of this process. I don't think they have ever made it to mediation. NWA is all too familiar with it. Once you learn the process, the steps fall into place.

The first step doesn't take place until the end of the year. We are well ahead of that with the voluntary negotiations that have just concluded.

If this TA is rejected, there is nothing to stop either the Company or DALPA from reengaging in negotiations prior to the amendable date at the end of the year. In fairness, I have to point out that both sides would have to agree to it. There is nothing to compel them other than mutual self-interest.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1903443)

I know how much the top end JV bugs us, and it should. But the conversion to block hours is a wash, truly. And we are tightening the compliance period and band so that we can better regulate the balance of flying and not wait three years for a grievance.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 1903439)

I don't believe the question was answered so I'll ask again, Why? What purpose does that serve? I couldn't get the clue either so can I have an answer please? The pay rates say 7/1/2015 not after a vote is finished.