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tunes 06-12-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1903479)
That is completely wrong Carl. It just is.

Again 1% is about four round trips.
Do you know how many seasonals we bring up and down every year? It's mid double digits.

Where precisely in this fleet plan do you see any aircraft that will be flown to Europe that is a down gauge?

No smaller aircraft in our fleet now or in the future can even do JFK to Europe.

Please use facts and numbers.

The TA binds the JV flying. Not the settlement.

Either way, this is the deal. Attempting to force compliance via numbers has not worked in five years. This gives us realistic goals we can hold the company to, quickly.

Please take notes and ask questions at the road shows.

seriously? c'mon.....

Carl Spackler 06-12-2015 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1903443)
And we are tightening the compliance period and band so that we can better regulate the balance of flying and not wait three years for a grievance.

Meaningless fluff. We just set the legal precedent that future such violations are handled by a payment. Cure bands are meaningless...that's why DALPA "won" it.

Carl

SayAlt 06-12-2015 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by ProPilotBW (Post 1903475)
That is the most unintelligent statement one could make.


No, it really isn't. For any number of reasons. But your comment reads like a mgmt toadie's, for certain sure.

Professor 06-12-2015 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1903484)
Meaningless fluff. We just set the legal precedent that future such violations are handled by a payment. Cure bands are meaningless...that's why DALPA "won" it.



Carl


Or we could be getting 30million every year.

All perspective I guess?

Once again, NOT trying to sell anyone here.

It's the language and the agreement as it stands.

Please go to your road shows. Please ask questions.

If I hear more/better info on this from the NC, I will inform all.

Denny Crane 06-12-2015 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Redbird611 (Post 1903481)
Professor, the key points I see from your JV analysis are these: Delta is currently out of EASK compliance on the low end. After the change they'd be above the block hour minimum with room to reduce. That sure as heck sounds like a concession to me. If Delta corrected the EASK ratio as required what would the block hour ratio be then? I see where you're going with the downside protection angle but I'd need more data to be sold.

Bingo!

Denny

Carl Spackler 06-12-2015 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1903479)
That is completely wrong Carl. It just is.

Again 1% is about four round trips.
Do you know how many seasonals we bring up and down every year? It's mid double digits.

Where precisely in this fleet plan do you see any aircraft that will be flown to Europe that is a down gauge?

No smaller aircraft in our fleet now or in the future can even do JFK to Europe.

Please use facts and numbers.

The TA binds the JV flying. Not the settlement.

Either way, this is the deal. Attempting to force compliance via numbers has not worked in five years. This gives us realistic goals we can hold the company to, quickly.

Please take notes and ask questions at the road shows.

I know your job is to lie for the administration...that's what you're getting flight pay loss to do. Just understand you ARE lying.

Read the language...it's right there.

Carl

Professor 06-12-2015 05:42 PM

Let's not go down the road of libel Carl.

You have the facts.

Vote as you will.

Truly I do not care.

ERflyer 06-12-2015 05:46 PM

Professor,

Could you explain this one when you get a chance?

1.E.9.

The Delta MEC Chairman may, at his option, approve the use by a carrier engaged in international partner flying of a trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Company affiliate.


Where did that come from? And why?

SayAlt 06-12-2015 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1903493)

Truly I do not care.

That's a lie right there. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have spent so much time and effort engaging with Carl.

So Carl is right. You are a liar. You just proved it.

Way to out yourself.

Professor 06-12-2015 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1903496)
Professor,



Could you explain this one when you get a chance?



1.E.9.



The Delta MEC Chairman may, at his option, approve the use by a carrier engaged in international partner flying of a trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Company affiliate.





Where did that come from? And why?


Question of the day.

I don't know. And it freaks me out.

I'll find out.


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