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SharpestTool, you are still avoiding my direct question about 14.F.2. When I stated that the removal of Voluntary Verification is, in my opinion, punitive, you responded directly to my post that the language is unchanged from C2012. That is not true - the TA clearly removes the ability to voluntarily verify under 14.F.2. How can you state the "language is unchanged from C2012?"

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1904976)

You are desperate and pathetic.

The game is over.

Finally.

Is that all you got? The facts are right there. Just read it. Then read C2012.

Sorry, I know it's hard to accept that you've been duped by the mythology that passes for fact here.

Well, that's 3 who don't want to accept my challenge. Rather lob accusations I guess.

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Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 1904980)

Sharpest spin: Busted

Repeatedly.

And he has proven himself a liar on top of that.

I suggest the "ignore" button for the Tool. Sadly, banning him has proven ineffective.

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Originally Posted by SAVdude (Post 1904949)

Read section 1.E.9 a little while ago and had to meditate on it, as I find this hard to believe and need some guidance.

Does this REALLY gives one person, the MEC chairman, the ability, if and when asked, to say to The Company, "Yeah, you can slap our name and logo on anybody you like, anywhere you like, and market them as Delta"?

Does this section REALLY give the leader of the organization that is supposed to be protecting and enhancing our careers, working for us, the ability to allow me to see a China Eastern A340, painted in Delta colors, depart one of Delta's hubs, and go to Shanghai? How is that protection and enhancement?

This seems to be classic outsourcing of our jobs. This a huge part of what killed the American maritime industry. If my, and other's, interpretation of this section is correct, 1.E.9 benefits only shareholders and senior management.

Voting "yes" just because of a still insufficient pay raise seems, to me, to be extremely myopic.

If I'm wrong about this, please enlighten me. And, yes, a version of this will be sent to my rep.

You are wrong about this.

Take a look at your current PWA and then the TA. Management can already use the paint and logo on partners. The TA makes it where the MEC chair has to approve it or not. It is limited to International Partner Flying where the partner isn't a company affiliate. It gives us control over something we didn't have control of before.

It means SkyTeam paint jobs. The provision has been around since we started alliances in the 1990's so things can be co-branded. It has nothing to do with outsourcing.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1904988)

Repeatedly.

And he has proven himself a liar on top of that.

I suggest the "ignore" button for the Tool. Sadly, banning him has proven ineffective.

Are you afraid to meet me and see that I'm a Delta pilot? Must be. This is an opportunity to prove to the world that you have bagged an imposter, and to score some free beer to boot.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1904931)

Why? Recognizing that there are trades in the agreement, what specifically about scope makes it unworkable for you?

This isn't a challenge, this is a request for info to see if I'm not looking at it correctly.

Sorry, I am in MAN and just finished eating at East East my favorite Indian restaurant, working on a giant Transatlantic fart to send your way. Going from EASKs to block hours is a huge concession, and agreeing to a pittance in the grievance settlement was the other. If this gets voted down, what is ALPAs plan to get the company INTO compliance under C2012? Since we are going to be parked by the NMB for eternity.

Speaking of liars, who started the sick verification myth? Then who when knowing better continued to propagate the myth?

Are you going to propagate the myth now that the language is out? Might not be a good idea because if a sceptic decides to check the facts he may be a little taken back by the dishonesty.

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1904535)

Did gold bug finally get enough precious metal?

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1904682)

And trusting washed up geriatric actors on Fox News commercials.

Oh, and Peak Oil is right around the corner.

And don't forget those Freedom Pellets.:D

Is Gold Bug guy going to attend the PTC road show? I will bring the popcorn. This should be a good time. This time the guy he decides to take on may turn around and deck him. This is going to be freaking awesome.:D

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1904991)

I suspect management's plan is for Alitalia to leave the JV as announced on January 1, 2017 (or sooner). They will immediately be in compliance. Then as we add 330's we'll have to pull down some frequency unless AF/KLM actually adds some larger widebodies.

That's a guess. Talk to the codeshare committee (I haven't yet). They can give you a better understanding of the consequences of switching from EASK to block hours.

Indian food farts...your poor FO's! I hope they ate with you!:p:D