Here's one for everyone

Why do you like this TA?

Junglebus,

I'm tied up with mil stuff right now or I'd co-chair the effort. If tying the Vote No Campaign to DPA would lessen the effect, how about a gofundme effort to gather contributions from very concerned Delta pilots? If half the folks who voted No on the APC poll contributed $100 each, that would be some $20000 dollars to produce and distribute mailers - probably about right for 12,000 copies. $100 is a small price to pay compared to the losses we'll see if this TA becomes reality. I'd be the first donor.

Also, isn't it ironic that we are each paying $100 or more for DALPA to produce a glossy propaganda mailer that most of us disagree with? Absolutely sad.

Here's the thing. You need a solid retort to flip pilots and even then money is going to trump everything with certain pilots.

My buddy texted me today that on the ATL320 his Captain said "I'm too old to wait around for pay raises." Well, what about sick leave? Doesn't matter, I'll get a Doctors note. But... doesn't matter... but... doesn't matter... but. And so on.

Basically, if you want this voted down split in two and charge both directions.

First, whether you're a Captain or an FO, you go after the FOs and the removal of trips. Get your hands on the names of LCA, take the July category wide report for July and scratch off every trip of a LCA. Show that to FOs and at roadshows. If it's as bad as it probably is, it may get some attention. FOs are 53% or so of the pilot group.

Second, you go after any pilot with WIDEBODY LIFE stickers on the back of their car and this JV language. If the data is what we think then you have enough ammo to scare some pilots that their future aspirations are in jeopardy. The data has to be really good and not stretched, something that the NC/MEC can't debunk. If they think they're being manipulated they'll just focus on the pay raises and vote yes.

If you go DPA, guys will tune out. I wouldn't even go after the company, I mean I fully expect them to want us to fly for free and never be sick. The focus just has to be about the TA and mindset of a MEC Chairman and NC that agreed to it and how they need to try again. The MEC does have a Plan B and have openly said so.

Agreed.

Carl

Because THE DALPA MACHINE wants an 8% increase in dues on July 1st, and whatever kick backs they have been guaranteed by DAL 4th floor for shoving this tird down our throats!

I'd agree with the dues thing..to me thats the only thing that makes sense about this. ALPA wants to push it through since we are getting a bump in pay and they get more dues. They could care less about how bad we get hosed in the other areas. Pretty obvious.

Jungle bus, thanks for your leadership on this issue. Would you be willing to coordinate with some of the other smart and well-reasoned folks here (Denny, ftb, Carl, gloopy, georgetg, etc) to compile a list of questions for the road show. They could then be disseminated here, fb, chitchat... Tape to the crapper walls, etc.

By "questions," I mean a kind of lengthy background followed by a short question. Not necessarily a filibuster--more like a question you might see from a congressman during a confirmation hearing. It gives his position, and at the very end, slips in a leading or difficult question he likely already knows the answer to put the subject publicly on the spot.

This might be a non-confrontational method to overcome the one-sided material presented by Dalpa and get our message out. Of course the actual questions won't actually be answered, but it would be a chance to get our message out there in front of a new audience. We'd only need a few to hammer home scope, sick leave, LCA trip pulls, etc.

Thoughts?

I really like the wide reports idea. Recommend printing Dec 2014 to illustrate how much more likely it will be to spend Christmas in a hotel.

Any way to look up LCAs historically?