One side is mistaken
06-24-2015 | 04:17 PM
#12
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“…if you vote no, the money for the E190s and the 737s will go to refurbish our RJ-50s. This was not a threat; many of the regional agreements are expiring later this year, and we will feed one way or another. This is part of the impetus to get a deal done early. We currently have a contract; it expires next year. If it is a NO, we will re-open negotiations then...”
06-24-2015 | 04:25 PM
#14
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From: Cockpit speaker volume knob set to eleven.
06-24-2015 | 04:30 PM
#15
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From: DAL 330
[QUOTE=rube;1914473]Respectfully, one of us is wrong, but it's much less expensive if I am wrong.
The give is about two percent of trips withheld from pre-month bidding. I am simply never going to be senior enough for this to matter to me anyway, but I get it that this is a cottage industry for some very senior first officers, who are nonetheless irate over the abrogation of seniority and quality of life.
We would need a 25.1% raise on January 1, 2017, or 53.8% in 2018 just to match what is on the table today. That’s gonna take a lot more than an inflatable rat.
Rube,
I don't have time to discuss all of the erroneous assumptions in your post so I will just focus on two.
2 % of trips???? You actually believe that? Newflash - that is backward looking data - the huge hiring and training wave is in front of us. Total fail.
When coming up with your preposterous 25.1% and 53.8% numbers why do you conveniently leave out retro-pay? In C2000 the last contract that DALPA actually "bargained" we received retro pay.
IF the NMB is so big on precedent why are we ignoring this?
Scoop
The give is about two percent of trips withheld from pre-month bidding. I am simply never going to be senior enough for this to matter to me anyway, but I get it that this is a cottage industry for some very senior first officers, who are nonetheless irate over the abrogation of seniority and quality of life.
We would need a 25.1% raise on January 1, 2017, or 53.8% in 2018 just to match what is on the table today. That’s gonna take a lot more than an inflatable rat.
Rube,
I don't have time to discuss all of the erroneous assumptions in your post so I will just focus on two.
2 % of trips???? You actually believe that? Newflash - that is backward looking data - the huge hiring and training wave is in front of us. Total fail.
When coming up with your preposterous 25.1% and 53.8% numbers why do you conveniently leave out retro-pay? In C2000 the last contract that DALPA actually "bargained" we received retro pay.
IF the NMB is so big on precedent why are we ignoring this?
Scoop
06-24-2015 | 04:32 PM
#16
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From: NYC 7ER LCA
THIS STATEMENT ****ES ME OFF!!!
This statement tells me you do not understand the sick leave changes.
Under the TA if a pilot is out 13 days due to any medical condition at once and has verification it does not matter. Best example is a thyroid problem. Pilot is out 13 days until medicine is working and back to the line. 8 months go by and the pilot gets a stomach bug and can't sit in a cockpit all day without running to the bathroom.
No he has to verify he has a simple bug. The doctor is going to verify that pilot came in due to diarrhea and tell the pilot to stop wasting his time and wait the bug out.
Reading the sick leave in the TA looks like our union which is meant to protect us just wants to make the company happy.
Also if you would have read the psychiatric benefit you would have seen that it can go away under certain conditions. Why would we negotiated items that can be turned back?
So if we have pilots who have problems only the first to speak up will get help?
Pathetic
This statement tells me you do not understand the sick leave changes.
Under the TA if a pilot is out 13 days due to any medical condition at once and has verification it does not matter. Best example is a thyroid problem. Pilot is out 13 days until medicine is working and back to the line. 8 months go by and the pilot gets a stomach bug and can't sit in a cockpit all day without running to the bathroom.
No he has to verify he has a simple bug. The doctor is going to verify that pilot came in due to diarrhea and tell the pilot to stop wasting his time and wait the bug out.
Reading the sick leave in the TA looks like our union which is meant to protect us just wants to make the company happy.
Also if you would have read the psychiatric benefit you would have seen that it can go away under certain conditions. Why would we negotiated items that can be turned back?
So if we have pilots who have problems only the first to speak up will get help?
Pathetic
06-24-2015 | 04:41 PM
#17
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From: 765-A
You are smoking crack. The LCA issue is a lot more than 2%. It affects the seniority bidding power and the qol and bidding power of almost every FO on the line. Greenslips will dry up like the martian soil. We are talking about increasing productivity 5% plus as we are accelerating training with no gain for FO's. Sick leave is a red herring. sick leave has accelerated due to increased work pace and an aging work force. /wait til you need an knee replacement, or need to be evaluated for sleep apnea. You know not of which you speak. This at a time when we are earning un heard of record profits... RA has 17.9 million shares of delta shares and Ed Bastian is buying a Ritz Carlton with our sacrificial bankruptcy wages. Oh by the way, we have a nice Me-Too clause which will lead to automatic wage increases if we do nothing (which are watered down by PS if we pass this TA). Additionally we are forcing PS reductions on our fellow workers by passing this TA to fund this measely 14% raise over 3 years. Which is more than offset by the productivity gains and cuts in PS on or fellow emplyoyees. Don't get me started. BTW are you dalpa p2p? You sure sound like it.
EVERY (AND I MEAN "EVERY") ER FO I've flown with in the past 4 months has been on a green slip for double pay (in case you aren't a Delta pilot), or on probation-- sometimes both.
The people who are at risk for taking the biggest pay cuts are ER FOs, which you obviously are not.
Please, go back to your cubical.
06-24-2015 | 04:50 PM
#18
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From: NYC 7ER LCA
Those can't be W2#'s because that is what really matters not the pay rate it self. The 777A pay rate while nice only applies to 2% of the pilot group so according to your theory that minimal
06-24-2015 | 05:07 PM
#20
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There are approx. 50 LCA on the 88 in Atlanta. If you think only 43 rotations will be affected each month you are crazy. Most pilots have about 5 trips on their line each month. Do the math.
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