DALPA Propoganda Wrong Again....
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Actually, no.
An old guy a long time ago told me that we do not make any decisions for the company. None. They decide what airplanes they are going to buy. They decide to where they are going to fly them. We are labor. Highly compensated, highly educated, highly trained, but just labor. And as much as we think the contrary, the world does not revolve around us. Now that isn't to say that we are not a very important cog in the wheel, but we are replaceable, and to act as if we are not is pure folly. Divorce yourself from the thought that we can make management do anything they don't want to do, because it simply isn't true. We tell them how much it will cost them to fly the airplanes they choose to buy. Period.
The same old guy told me to never eat in a hotel or sleep in a restaurant. Sage advice if I say so myself.
An old guy a long time ago told me that we do not make any decisions for the company. None. They decide what airplanes they are going to buy. They decide to where they are going to fly them. We are labor. Highly compensated, highly educated, highly trained, but just labor. And as much as we think the contrary, the world does not revolve around us. Now that isn't to say that we are not a very important cog in the wheel, but we are replaceable, and to act as if we are not is pure folly. Divorce yourself from the thought that we can make management do anything they don't want to do, because it simply isn't true. We tell them how much it will cost them to fly the airplanes they choose to buy. Period.
The same old guy told me to never eat in a hotel or sleep in a restaurant. Sage advice if I say so myself.
#22
How should we change it though t? Should we average to the 757 in pay? Exactly how should we attain your dream?
Carl
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Yes it was protective, but there was no remedy spelled out for non compliance. THAT is where our contract is weak. The block hour "solution" gives an immediate 3+% buffer. I just don't get the logic. We'll go from 53% to 49%. I do keep hearing about the global production balance, and I would love for one of those better informed to explain that. Bullet points please, no graphs and charts.
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Your right Carl, it would be a terrible thing if the company decided to keep more 757's! The horror of the thought!
I would prefer the plan does change and they do the heavy checks. The stuff posted about A321's, 737's, more 757's is simply not rational thought. The first two don't have range and the last is not likely to see a increase on routes running full into slot controlled or gate restricted airports.
I prefer when I try and evaluate something to look at facts. The planned fleets for Delta and our JV partners are pretty well known. I will go with those in evaluating that portion of the TA.
I would prefer the plan does change and they do the heavy checks. The stuff posted about A321's, 737's, more 757's is simply not rational thought. The first two don't have range and the last is not likely to see a increase on routes running full into slot controlled or gate restricted airports.
I prefer when I try and evaluate something to look at facts. The planned fleets for Delta and our JV partners are pretty well known. I will go with those in evaluating that portion of the TA.
#25
Actually, no.
An old guy a long time ago told me that we do not make any decisions for the company. None. They decide what airplanes they are going to buy. They decide to where they are going to fly them. We are labor. Highly compensated, highly educated, highly trained, but just labor. And as much as we think the contrary, the world does not revolve around us. Now that isn't to say that we are not a very important cog in the wheel, but we are replaceable, and to act as if we are not is pure folly. Divorce yourself from the thought that we can make management do anything they don't want to do, because it simply isn't true. We tell them how much it will cost them to fly the airplanes they choose to buy. Period.
The same old guy told me to never eat in a hotel or sleep in a restaurant. Sage advice if I say so myself.
An old guy a long time ago told me that we do not make any decisions for the company. None. They decide what airplanes they are going to buy. They decide to where they are going to fly them. We are labor. Highly compensated, highly educated, highly trained, but just labor. And as much as we think the contrary, the world does not revolve around us. Now that isn't to say that we are not a very important cog in the wheel, but we are replaceable, and to act as if we are not is pure folly. Divorce yourself from the thought that we can make management do anything they don't want to do, because it simply isn't true. We tell them how much it will cost them to fly the airplanes they choose to buy. Period.
The same old guy told me to never eat in a hotel or sleep in a restaurant. Sage advice if I say so myself.
Carl
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Great, you started early with your daily devotional to longevity based pay. We have what we have and this TA's scope concessions must be evaluated against that reality.
How should we change it though t? Should we average to the 757 in pay? Exactly how should we attain your dream?
Carl
How should we change it though t? Should we average to the 757 in pay? Exactly how should we attain your dream?
Carl
AAL's bands would be a good start.
We have to look at career earnings guys because the DB retirement is dead. You don't have the luxury to stay really really really senior on junior metal and suck it up in your last year to bump up your retirement. TVM is real, and it is calculable. (I am not talking about the contract here vis a vis hourly pay increases, but rather big picture retirement funding). You have to fund as much as you can, as early as you can or you will be behind. This is another reason that the 2017 increase to the 401k is so puzzling to me. Why on earth would we wait a whole year to see that?
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Code shares and JVs are a fact of life in a global corporation. Get over it. SWA will never grow and never do anything near what we do with the clauses they have, and you know it. If that is your idea of Nirvana, then you got hired at the wrong place. I wouldn't trade places with their number 1 captain. ymmv.
#28
Yes it was protective, but there was no remedy spelled out for non compliance. THAT is where our contract is weak. The block hour "solution" gives an immediate 3+% buffer. I just don't get the logic. We'll go from 53% to 49%. I do keep hearing about the global production balance, and I would love for one of those better informed to explain that. Bullet points please, no graphs and charts.
Carl
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Code shares and JVs are a fact of life in a global corporation. Get over it. SWA will never grow and never do anything near what we do with the clauses they have, and you know it. If that is your idea of Nirvana, then you got hired at the wrong place. I wouldn't trade places with their number 1 captain. ymmv.

Carl
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