No it's not. Richard kept it OFF the table when he offered industry leading rates. Whether we turn those down or not is irrelevant. If this gets to the NMB, his position will be "I offered them industry leading rates, six months early, with an industry leading profit sharing plan, and an industry leading contract". And our response will be, "we want more because we deserve it.

No chance we'll ever be released with a package any where near what he's offered still on the table.

As an aside....I called in sick last week, because I was SICK, and even though it was my first sick for a year, I still had a long winded email in my Delta email box explaining all the rules and to make sure I "call in well", etc......

I've been here 25 years CPO dudes.....I know the procedure thank you, and by the way, next time I'm coming in and spreading the illness around your office...lest there be any question I really was sick!

Oh, my pathetic Dr's note is going to be faxed from your office the very next time I'm working, and you're working too!

Oh, sorry....I haven't met even 1 pilot who's voting yes......this thing is going down in flames!

Then why are they worried that it won't get past memrat?

That would have been easily acceptable to the majority.

Ditto.

With deep cutting concessions that the majority didn't want at any price. That is the only part that is unreasonable and will be the only reason its voted down.

No, our response will be we shouldn't be taking concessions this deep to get smaller raises than we got when we were 1/5th as profitable with 3 times the debt.

They claim the cost is 1.1B, so give back 100M and take 1.0B in gains without concessions (still 100M cheaper by the company's own admission, under any and all circumstances, assuming they properly costed everything out, which of course they did) and that is extremely reasonable.

That's why we'll offer a 100M cheaper alternative, sit back and watch them try and explain to the gods of reason how that isn't "reasonable".

Something close to this would probably get ratified. Just not with the onerous sl requirements, or some reduced OE pull and some other minor changes. I'll bet even the current rates or something close would fly.

We would be released! We have never asked for anything outragous like AA askking for 53%, we are close-just need to move some deck chairs around. You are just fear mongering because the MEC for some reason can't fathom the idea that they were wrong about what they could bet the pilot group to vote for...

By the way, how many times do we have to say "It's not about the money!!!!!!!!"

Richard is thinking "What, my sheep don't like the widget Kool Aid anymore!"

I can't believe a CEO of his caliber is making such veiled threats. Did you guys listen to his entire message? It starts out stating how we blow our competition out of the water on an operational front.

I'll be perfectly happy to work under our current agreement while Richard's 2M+ shares decline under labor unrest.

BD

RA never cared for us. He's a lawyer and a businessman. He's good at his job. He has people like Doug Madsen advocating for him, and ready to do harm to his own fellow pilots. This is how we've been Union busted, at the hands of our own pilots, who developed a connection to our executives that really wasn't there. Ever.

I remember as a new hire when I was based in ATL, I asked nearly every CA I flew with about losing their pensions, because I was curious what that meant for their careers. Most of the responses went something like this... They would shrug their shoulders and say "Well the company had to do it, they couldn't afford it. But I'm really happy that Richard came and turned things around. He's different. He really cares..." So just like that, having your entire career essentially wiped out, contracts gutted, etc... Is now water under the bridge for most pilots, including Mr. Madsen.

Let bygones be bygones... In 2004, 2007, 2012, and 2015. Heck, lets preemptively let bygones be bygones in 2018. The company needs it. They can't afford paying us and taking bonuses and paying shareholders. Let's ease their burden.

Who knew C2012 would be such a gem. I don't think anyone is afraid of being parked... We have profit sharing, 3.B whatever (I know, no one will get a raise), and work rules!

I for one haven't forgotten I don't have a pension. Or I was making more flying a smaller plane over 10 years ago. Our CEO cut his teeth working for Lorenzo when our new hires were wearing diapers.

Every executive at Delta is awash in stock. 8% is the carrot. Now we're being shown the stick.

BUG OFF TROLL.

Your agenda as an ALPA ladder climber is apparent. If this thing passes, YOU are responsible for the demise of this career. I will BLAME YOU personally.

TEN

It's Captain Deadzoner. And, there are no bygones. It's called theft.