formerdal

If this TA is voted down with a significantly large number against and Richard parks us or drags this out for an extended period of time it will have been a failure of the entire MEC!

The MEC knew what we were looking for in the survey. Obviously our expectations have not been met. It remains to be seen if that is the sentiment of the majority, but if it fails as miserably as it seems to be trending then the fault falls squarely on the shoulders of the MEC for sending this to us.

I have never been an advocate for doing away with Alpa, there are some really big issues out there (ie. ME3) and we need a large presence in DC to deal with them. In my 15 years here however, I have never seen the shenanigans that are being pulled to keep the dissenting opinions silenced like they are for this TA. I am embarrassed at how our Union has behaved.

RonRicco

You are spot on.

sailingfun

Just curious. The MEC twice rejected essentially the package we have now. How would you have extracted value beyond the 1.1 billion if that is all they were willing to give up?

gloopy

I'd lower the value to 1.0B and put it all into pay with no concessions and donate 100M to charity.

Schwanker

I no longer trust ALPA (the officials on the MEC--not to include some local reps).

I don't believe the 1.1 billion dollar number. Those who provided the data to get to this number have no credibility. These are the same people selling this at all costs.

I no longer believe anything which comes from the MEC. I don't find them truthful. I believe they will say ANYTHING which will sell this TA.

I do trust some specific reps. Looking at everything that has materialized, some local reps clearly have the facts on their side.

Scoop

Negative.

Saying No during the bargaining process is not rejecting anything - it is called bargaining.


They had one opportunity to accept or reject the TA - that was the vote and they accepted it.

Scoop

texavia

That sums up where we've come to with DALPA, they've used up every last bit of the trust, confidence and respect they had. No one cares or believes what they have to say any more.

UGBSM

There have been shenanigans before, and there will be shenanigans again. With any union. Let's not turn this into another dump ALPA thread.

Sometimes management doesn't believe what the union is telling them either. Sometimes it takes the voice of the entire pilot group to get the message across.

That message is not: ON TIME - ON TARGET
That message is: WAY TOO EARLY - WAY OFF TARGET

formerdal

I am not on the MEC or the NC. It is not my position to determine how to extract that value. The fact of the matter is we are only 2 months into negotiations and the TA is 6 months early. The TA is obviously no where near what the pilots wanted, I would not be surprised if it failed 70-30 at this point.

But realistically, I'll bet the company could drop the sick leave verification and change the OE pull from 75% to 25 % and this thing would probably PASS 70-30. Based on the Unions numbers those two items are very inconsequential so I can't imagine it changing the overall value by much right?

Check Essential

Its management that's doing all the extracting.
The MEC should have walked away.

Anderson needs this deal more than we do.
He also knows the Moakists will never put up a fight. He took advantage of that.

So here we are. Its left to the line pilots.