You missed the point Sailing.

SWA spends a much higher percentage of their employees. We are not in the neighborhood.

After the TA fails, we need a minimum of $200 million per year more.

And we still will be far cheaper than SWA.

If you compare revenue on each airlines entire fleets I suspect your right with our much larger average size. If you compare revenue on the 737 domestic then I suspect that the Margin is way smaller even given our 737's probably exceed SWA's by a large revenue margin. Should we also compare SWA payrate to our average across all fleets?

Standard DALPA shill. Looking at rates only. Think about 42 hours and three weeks off for a week of vacation. Think about reserves getting 6.5 TFP per day guarantee. Rates tell very little of the story. Open time premium pick up and much more.

Ummmmm.....HAD copilots making over $300k. Seems that ALPA helped the company solve that problem this iteration. :D

Remember, the SWA rates aren't hourly. They are paid by the "trip", so their hourly rate is actually higher, because a trip is somewhere around 45-50 minutes. (THAT'S why they taxi so fast :D)

It's an artificial metric designed so that there is no clean comparison between SW and the other legacy pay rates. The conversion is supposedly just under 15% but there's some fuzzy math on longer legs.

Think about open time pickup to FAR's. Think about lower rates. Think about GS's paying 1.5 instead of 2x. Think about half the profit sharing and 7.7% less DC. Are you still a DPA shill?

Edit: Here is SWA's vacation. Nice and better then ours but nothing like posted above. Crew Skeds can also split trips touching vacations to keep you working the part outside the vacation period.

First, that product evaluates the pay for the days WITHIN the vacation block, but does not attempt to evaluate the Vacation Overlap pay. While this is a piece of the solution, it’s not complete: within a 7-day block, you will never be paid less than 26.25 TFP (trips pulled or 3.75 TFP/day, whichever is greater), and you’ll never be paid more than 30 hours of flying, plus deadheads and rigs. In practice, about 36 TFP is the most you can possibly get during the 7 day period, and about 32 TFP (i.e. a dense 4-day) is the most you’re likely to encounter
Current averag line at SWA is 12.3 days paying 87 TFP.

I will bet not, even if the TA passes there will still be a large number of OE drops. Add in higher rates and no one will starve.

Sailing, what was pilots(ours) percentage of revenue pre ch11(historically) and now?

I have to go to work. I don't have time to try and look up the NWA and Delta numbers. I can tell you the total cost per pilot in 2014 was 261,000 and in 2004 it was 305,000 at Delta and 234,000 at NWA. I suspect the revenue will be more per pilot today. Keep in mind however in 2004 the cheap part of the list was furloughed at both NWA and Delta.