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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:14 PM
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65% isn't an accident, and it can't be explained away as manipulation. I feared an indecisive vote, and I feared this thing would turn on social media shenanigans, and I feared it would leave us crippled and rudderless.

Luckily the pilots have spoken, and they've spoken clearly.

My compliments to the pilots who took an informed and considered vote, in either direction. Now that it's over, I wish I could say I voted against it, and celebrate with my street creds intact, but no, I finally voted for it two days ago, ugliness and all, based on my expectation of no plan on the No side, and my expectation of a weak, inconclusive outcome that would set us back years. 65% proves me wrong once on the inconclusive part, and I sincerely hope that I get proven wrong again on no plan. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we have a bright future, and that we never regret not taking this deal.

So I'm not going to celebrate with you guys, since in the end I voted for it, but I will have a bit of a grin thinking about 65% of Delta pilots acting in concert to reject something marginal. The process actually does work. Let me also compliment the No guys who were able to discuss this with both passion and civility. The day truly belongs to you.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:18 PM
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Classy touch, sink.

We're all in uncharted waters together.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
65% isn't an accident, and it can't be explained away as manipulation. I feared an indecisive vote, and I feared this thing would turn on social media shenanigans, and I feared it would leave us crippled and rudderless.

Luckily the pilots have spoken, and they've spoken clearly.

My compliments to the pilots who took an informed and considered vote, in either direction. Now that it's over, I wish I could say I voted against it, and celebrate with my street creds intact, but no, I finally voted for it two days ago, ugliness and all, based on my expectation of no plan on the No side, and my expectation of a weak, inconclusive outcome that would set us back years. 65% proves me wrong once on the inconclusive part, and I sincerely hope that I get proven wrong again on no plan. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we have a bright future, and that we never regret not taking this deal.

So I'm not going to celebrate with you guys, since in the end I voted for it, but I will have a bit of a grin thinking about 65% of Delta pilots acting in concert to reject something marginal. The process actually does work. Let me also compliment the No guys who were able to discuss this with both passion and civility. The day truly belongs to you.
Couldn't agree more. I, too voted in favor of the agreement, but feel that a decisive vote either way strengthens our hand. A slim majority would have just bred more division.

Congratulations to those who prevailed.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
65% isn't an accident, and it can't be explained away as manipulation. I feared an indecisive vote, and I feared this thing would turn on social media shenanigans, and I feared it would leave us crippled and rudderless.

Luckily the pilots have spoken, and they've spoken clearly.

My compliments to the pilots who took an informed and considered vote, in either direction. Now that it's over, I wish I could say I voted against it, and celebrate with my street creds intact, but no, I finally voted for it two days ago, ugliness and all, based on my expectation of no plan on the No side, and my expectation of a weak, inconclusive outcome that would set us back years. 65% proves me wrong once on the inconclusive part, and I sincerely hope that I get proven wrong again on no plan. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we have a bright future, and that we never regret not taking this deal.

So I'm not going to celebrate with you guys, since in the end I voted for it, but I will have a bit of a grin thinking about 65% of Delta pilots acting in concert to reject something marginal. The process actually does work. Let me also compliment the No guys who were able to discuss this with both passion and civility. The day truly belongs to you.
The fact there was no plan for a NO vote lies squarely at the feet of this MEC administration. How could they NOT have had a plan for it? It showed they considered MEMRAT an inconvenient and time wasting rubber stamp. They got it wrong.

Since they had no plan, they've proven themselves incapable to continue. What kind of pilot would takeoff without any alternate plans? They absolutely must resign.

Carl
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
65% isn't an accident, and it can't be explained away as manipulation. I feared an indecisive vote, and I feared this thing would turn on social media shenanigans, and I feared it would leave us crippled and rudderless.

Luckily the pilots have spoken, and they've spoken clearly.

My compliments to the pilots who took an informed and considered vote, in either direction. Now that it's over, I wish I could say I voted against it, and celebrate with my street creds intact, but no, I finally voted for it two days ago, ugliness and all, based on my expectation of no plan on the No side, and my expectation of a weak, inconclusive outcome that would set us back years. 65% proves me wrong once on the inconclusive part, and I sincerely hope that I get proven wrong again on no plan. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we have a bright future, and that we never regret not taking this deal.

So I'm not going to celebrate with you guys, since in the end I voted for it, but I will have a bit of a grin thinking about 65% of Delta pilots acting in concert to reject something marginal. The process actually does work. Let me also compliment the No guys who were able to discuss this with both passion and civility. The day truly belongs to you.
Sink,

I don't know that any celebration is in order except maybe the kind of celebration you have if you find a bullet lodged in the bible in your shirt pocket. I'm honestly sad to hear that you did vote for it, but appreciate the classy conciliatory tone of your post. Olive branch accepted and extended back your way. We are all in this together.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
65% isn't an accident, and it can't be explained away as manipulation. I feared an indecisive vote, and I feared this thing would turn on social media shenanigans, and I feared it would leave us crippled and rudderless.

Luckily the pilots have spoken, and they've spoken clearly.

My compliments to the pilots who took an informed and considered vote, in either direction. Now that it's over, I wish I could say I voted against it, and celebrate with my street creds intact, but no, I finally voted for it two days ago, ugliness and all, based on my expectation of no plan on the No side, and my expectation of a weak, inconclusive outcome that would set us back years. 65% proves me wrong once on the inconclusive part, and I sincerely hope that I get proven wrong again on no plan. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we have a bright future, and that we never regret not taking this deal.

So I'm not going to celebrate with you guys, since in the end I voted for it, but I will have a bit of a grin thinking about 65% of Delta pilots acting in concert to reject something marginal. The process actually does work. Let me also compliment the No guys who were able to discuss this with both passion and civility. The day truly belongs to you.
Scary that we have pilots flying airplanes (or used to and will again) that with much at stake have no plan B. Dumb, dumb dumb! That sir, is not leadership.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:49 PM
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Sink,

I don't know that any celebration is in order except maybe the kind of celebration you have if you find a bullet lodged in the bible in your shirt pocket. I'm honestly sad to hear that you did vote for it, but appreciate the classy conciliatory tone of your post. Olive branch accepted and extended back your way. We are all in this together.
It wasn't clear-cut, and it wasn't easy, Scambo, but yes I did, and I'm OK owning up to it. I'm also comfortable with the fact that I disclosed volunteering. It was an interesting experience.

Take care.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
65% isn't an accident, and it can't be explained away as manipulation. I feared an indecisive vote, and I feared this thing would turn on social media shenanigans, and I feared it would leave us crippled and rudderless.

Luckily the pilots have spoken, and they've spoken clearly.

My compliments to the pilots who took an informed and considered vote, in either direction. Now that it's over, I wish I could say I voted against it, and celebrate with my street creds intact, but no, I finally voted for it two days ago, ugliness and all, based on my expectation of no plan on the No side, and my expectation of a weak, inconclusive outcome that would set us back years. 65% proves me wrong once on the inconclusive part, and I sincerely hope that I get proven wrong again on no plan. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we have a bright future, and that we never regret not taking this deal.

So I'm not going to celebrate with you guys, since in the end I voted for it, but I will have a bit of a grin thinking about 65% of Delta pilots acting in concert to reject something marginal. The process actually does work. Let me also compliment the No guys who were able to discuss this with both passion and civility. The day truly belongs to you.
Well said Sink.

I forgot who said it, but we're one group now pressing forward. I guess we'll see who we're really up against. Start putting $$$ in your mattress boyz.......it may be awhile.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
It wasn't clear-cut, and it wasn't easy, Scambo, but yes I did, and I'm OK owning up to it. I'm also comfortable with the fact that I disclosed volunteering. It was an interesting experience.

Take care.
It's funny, there was a time, maybe a couple years ago that I thought you and scoop were the same guy. It was funny watching you two argue the TA through that prism. It was like being inside the head of a schizophrenic.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The fact there was no plan for a NO vote lies squarely at the feet of this MEC administration. How could they NOT have had a plan for it? It showed they considered MEMRAT an inconvenient and time wasting rubber stamp. They got it wrong.

Since they had no plan, they've proven themselves incapable to continue. What kind of pilot would takeoff without any alternate plans? They absolutely must resign.

Carl
Just shows us how out of touch they are with the average line pilot..
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