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Purple Drank 07-16-2015 11:56 AM
Sick leave written by...DALPA?
 
From chitchat:

I've been asking questions about our SL In the TA. For instance, if this is what we ended up with, what was the company's first offer? Well, it appears there was no first offer so to speak. Our SPC head [Harwood], along with Mike Hanson, actually wrote the SL policy themselves ( they may have had others chime in). Oh, they knew that the Company wanted something done, but the company never came to us with a formal proposal! Our SPC actually wrote the new policy. To make it worse, we did all the concessions before we actually talked money. All at the direction of the SPC.
I don't have independent confirmation.

But I wouldn't be in the least shocked if that's true.

*cue sailingfun to say something pertaining to this... about which he knows nothing*

Doug Madsen 07-16-2015 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1931078)
From chitchat:

I've been asking questions about our SL In the TA. For instance, if this is what we ended up with, what was the company's first offer? Well, it appears there was no first offer so to speak. Our SPC head [Harwood], along with Mike Hanson, actually wrote the SL policy themselves ( they may have had others chime in). Oh, they knew that the Company wanted something done, but the company never came to us with a formal proposal! Our SPC actually wrote the new policy. To make it worse, we did all the concessions before we actually talked money. All at the direction of the SPC.


I don't have independent confirmation.

But I wouldn't be in the least shocked if that's true.

*cue sailingfun to say something pertaining to this... about which he knows nothing*
That's one of the biggest lies I've ever seen. I can say, with complete certainty, there is not a shred of truth in it.

Carl Spackler 07-16-2015 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1931135)
That's one of the biggest lies I've ever seen. I can say, with complete certainty, there is not a shred of truth in it.
Are you on the Strategic Planning Committee Doug? Or are you a Special committee kind of guy?

Carl

scambo1 07-16-2015 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1931135)
That's one of the biggest lies I've ever seen. I can say, with complete certainty, there is not a shred of truth in it.
I don't know if there's a shred of truth in it or not, but in bizarro land, where we are right now, somehow it doesn't seem unbelievable.

During the road show and q&a afterward, it was quite clear that the TA was sent out without the sick leave change language and implementation methodology even being finalized. Kind of like we have to vote it in to find out what's in it.

I don't want to burn the house down. I want to clean the house out. I don't have any faith in my union, who I paid 6 grand to last year, to do anything for me...at all...nothing.

That has got to change and the sooner the better.

If the house can't be cleaned, I see no other option, but to move to a different house. And I really, really don't want to move.

Doug Madsen 07-16-2015 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1931202)

I don't want to burn the house down. I want to clean the house out. I don't have any faith in my union, who I paid 6 grand to last year, to do anything for me...at all...nothing.
If you paid 6 grand in dues, you made north of $300,000. They must be doing something right.:)

Model Citezen 07-16-2015 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1931252)
If you paid 6 grand in dues, you made north of $300,000. They must be doing something right.:)
Or... He might be senior in category working hard and averaging over 100 pay hours a month... Not that there is anything wrong with that!

Again, focus is pay,pay,and pay... there is a value to quality of life. Just cannot survey that as easy as a pay number. It's too variable an equation.

MC

sailingfun 07-16-2015 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1931252)
If you paid 6 grand in dues, you made north of $300,000. They must be doing something right.:)
Not bad for a copilot job. I got a kick out of one post from a pilot at another airline telling us it was great we voted it down and a senior Captain should make 350 to 400k. Clearly he did not know that senior and not so senior Captains at Delta can and are making that now and lots of copilots are exceeding 300k.

Purple Drank 07-16-2015 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1931135)
That's one of the biggest lies I've ever seen. I can say, with complete certainty, there is not a shred of truth in it.
Wow. Touched a nerve there, I see.

I was skeptical myself. But since you're here denying it, the story must have merit.

Check Essential 07-16-2015 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1931269)
lots of copilots are exceeding 300k.
Bull.

I'd bet the percentage of FOs breaking 300k is a single digit number.

A low single digit.

Same for Captains making over 400. Its not many.

Tanker1497 07-16-2015 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1931269)
Not bad for a copilot job. I got a kick out of one post from a pilot at another airline telling us it was great we voted it down and a senior Captain should make 350 to 400k. Clearly he did not know that senior and not so senior Captains at Delta can and are making that now and lots of copilots are exceeding 300k.
lots of copilots...bull****. I guess if you says it's true, that makes it so!


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