DALPA Eats Itself
07-19-2015 | 03:06 AM
#121
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07-19-2015 | 06:21 AM
#123
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This. ^^^^^^
I thought that the alpa guys in private would have a lot more substantive arguments for the TA then some of the weaker arguments put forth here prior to the TA, but no.
You bid LCA you're simply abusing the system and it needs to be fixed.
You ever called in sick? Abuser.
You push back against productivity changes that reduce pilots? You're costing the fpl guys money. You're an abuser.
And that's just all from fb. The more I read from fb the more i do believe our guys wrote the language in the TA on sick leave and oe lca and the company just went with it.
I think I read one comment from one of the big alpa guys on chit chat that he wants pilots here to be the most productive they can so we can go beat united or something.
But flight pay loss? Well, that's my right! I don't want to fly the line, the line sucks...
I guess the lustful focus on payrates at the expense of work rules makes sense if you're paid the rates but never work under the rules.
I thought that the alpa guys in private would have a lot more substantive arguments for the TA then some of the weaker arguments put forth here prior to the TA, but no.
You bid LCA you're simply abusing the system and it needs to be fixed.
You ever called in sick? Abuser.
You push back against productivity changes that reduce pilots? You're costing the fpl guys money. You're an abuser.
And that's just all from fb. The more I read from fb the more i do believe our guys wrote the language in the TA on sick leave and oe lca and the company just went with it.
I think I read one comment from one of the big alpa guys on chit chat that he wants pilots here to be the most productive they can so we can go beat united or something.
But flight pay loss? Well, that's my right! I don't want to fly the line, the line sucks...
I guess the lustful focus on payrates at the expense of work rules makes sense if you're paid the rates but never work under the rules.
Carl
07-19-2015 | 07:58 AM
#124
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This. ^^^^^^
And that's just all from fb. The more I read from fb the more i do believe our guys wrote the language in the TA on sick leave and oe lca and the company just went with it.
But flight pay loss? Well, that's my right! I don't want to fly the line, the line sucks...
And that's just all from fb. The more I read from fb the more i do believe our guys wrote the language in the TA on sick leave and oe lca and the company just went with it.
But flight pay loss? Well, that's my right! I don't want to fly the line, the line sucks...
For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.
07-19-2015 | 08:10 AM
#125
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Sounds like an ALPA guy trying to justify his office job to me.
07-19-2015 | 08:14 AM
#126
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From: Cockpit speaker volume knob set to eleven.
Do you really believe the first bit, or are you just trying to throw out red meat to get pats on the back? If you think it's true, put out some proof. If it's you rumor mongering, you do realize that's going to start a feedback loop where within a day it'll be on the FB page quoted as straight from the mouth of Ferris' neighbor's cousin's girlfriend, right?
For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.
For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.
Sadly, they still seem to view this pilot group as petulant childern who cannot seem to follw directions. We have leadership who has repeatedly told us there is no better deal available...and these same people, who brought us this TA, some 6 months early are going to continue to negotiate for us? They will deliver that same self fufilling phrophecy and hope to get a 51 percent approval.
07-19-2015 | 08:18 AM
#127
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Do you really believe the first bit, or are you just trying to throw out red meat to get pats on the back? If you think it's true, put out some proof. If it's you rumor mongering, you do realize that's going to start a feedback loop where within a day it'll be on the FB page quoted as straight from the mouth of Ferris' neighbor's cousin's girlfriend, right?
For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.
For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.
I've told this boring story a thousand times to a thousand poor guys
but, you think that cuz your actually a pilot. I was on the staff in the USAF with guys like you and me who counted the days till we went back to line fighter/flying squadrons. However, there were lots and lots of guys who "like working the issues" (quote from a good friend who hit the ATC staff as a captain and retired as an 0-6 on the staff).I saw these guys as a UPT instructor. They were academy guys who were there cuz their friends were there. They were ROTC guys who were there because their dad's were pilots. Anyway, you get the picture.
That's why I've never bought the DPA thing that it will all change. I predict those office guys will be doing DPA office stuff in 5 years after the name change. The more things change the more they remain the same
Ferd
07-19-2015 | 08:21 AM
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I have. And there are people that like office jobs. To each his own I guess. I'd rather have a 35,000 foot above it all window.
07-19-2015 | 08:24 AM
#129
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Welllllllll........actually for some guys not.
I've told this boring story a thousand times to a thousand poor guys but, you think that cuz your actually a pilot. I was on the staff in the USAF with guys like you and me who counted the days till we went back to line fighter/flying squadrons. However, there were lots and lots of guys who "like working the issues" (quote from a good friend who hit the ATC staff as a captain and retired as an 0-6 on the staff).
I saw these guys as a UPT instructor. They were academy guys who were there cuz their friends were there. They were ROTC guys who were there because their dad's were pilots. Anyway, you get the picture.
That's why I've never bought the DPA thing that it will all change. I predict those office guys will be doing DPA office stuff in 5 years after the name change. The more things change the more they remain the same
Ferd
I've told this boring story a thousand times to a thousand poor guys
but, you think that cuz your actually a pilot. I was on the staff in the USAF with guys like you and me who counted the days till we went back to line fighter/flying squadrons. However, there were lots and lots of guys who "like working the issues" (quote from a good friend who hit the ATC staff as a captain and retired as an 0-6 on the staff).I saw these guys as a UPT instructor. They were academy guys who were there cuz their friends were there. They were ROTC guys who were there because their dad's were pilots. Anyway, you get the picture.
That's why I've never bought the DPA thing that it will all change. I predict those office guys will be doing DPA office stuff in 5 years after the name change. The more things change the more they remain the same
Ferd
I know those types pop up everywhere, but it's been my experience (at least until post C12 and our hiring boom) that most of those folks don't really make their way to the airline biz. Not usually enough "prestige" in the gig for the type. I have seen more of it lately as folks follow the crowd to the new greener pastures.
I agree 100% on the DPA thing. If guys want to recall their reps, have at it. I think at a min the MEC chair needs to go, not necessarily because he's out to get Delta pilots, but because he did some unprofessional stuff during the TA- particularly the yelling. But bringing in DPA is a head scratcher for me, no matter the initial push to clean house, you will eventually end up with mostly the same guys who would have done ALPA work. And they are generally good Delta pilots who at the very least THINK they are doing what's best for the group.
07-19-2015 | 08:39 AM
#130
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Is it possible for folks to cut the "YOU'RE AN ALPA STOOGE!" BS?
I commute and I have a 6 year old for whom I'm a single parent. I've been able to make it to one whole LEC meeting in 7 years. Any inkling of even considering ALPA work in the future was erased when I saw how disrespectful a handful of guys at the meeting were to the reps. I don't have issues w guys voicing their issues/complaints, but this was over the top. And that was the "in public" version of the relationship.
I commute and I have a 6 year old for whom I'm a single parent. I've been able to make it to one whole LEC meeting in 7 years. Any inkling of even considering ALPA work in the future was erased when I saw how disrespectful a handful of guys at the meeting were to the reps. I don't have issues w guys voicing their issues/complaints, but this was over the top. And that was the "in public" version of the relationship.
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