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Klondike Bear 07-19-2015 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1933020)
I think our biggest weakness has been what I call a "Tribal Squadron" mentality. Too often, our MEC administration's have been led by military types that see the need to surround themselves with like-minded minions. Marines surrounding themselves with other Marines, etc. I don't have military experience, only civilian. In my business life, I've been mentored by fantastic executives who taught me to resist building a team of clones from the same tribe as you. It's really easy to do, and the single biggest mistake you can make.

I think the upcoming generation will have a higher percentage of civilian types, and maybe (just maybe) they won't possess as much of this tribal squadron mentality. There are certainly plenty of military guys that reject the tribal squadron mentality, but unfortunately our recent leadership has been just the opposite. I have huge hopes for this new generation.

Carl

Dave Nestor is all civilian. How about Brian Shinnick. Most of the younger guys who are in your tribal squadron are all civilian.

trico 07-19-2015 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1932918)
Baby Boomers didn't care about money until they started reaching retirement age either Einstein. You know, free love and all that hippy dippy stuff. Nothing new at all to see here. Boomers were just as lazy when they were younger too.

Oh man, are you showing your age:p When I was 20something my priorities, other than the obvious for a young man, were having a cool car, job, and saving for a house. My 20something kids think owning a car and house would be a burden and don't want to bother with the structure I craved at that age. We ignore or poo-poo these differences at our peril 'cause they wield more influence as time goes by. These are real differences and DALPA just got kicked in the ass partly because they didn't take them seriously or chose to ignore them.

Pilotfo64 07-19-2015 03:02 PM

Yeah, I don't think military vs. civilian is much of an issue here, though some of the military types seem a little more aggressive (im military btw). I think the primary problem we have is the inner circle of alpa is primarily motivated by pay rates and the qol issues just don't affect them that much. Get sick-- do FPL. LCA drops and JV... who cares.

Carl Spackler 07-19-2015 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1933118)
Dave Nestor is all civilian. How about Brian Shinnick. Most of the younger guys who are in your tribal squadron are all civilian.

Nestor and Shinnick are awful examples to be sure, but my previous post was quite clear about MEC administration leadership positions...not reps.

Carl

BenderRodriguez 07-19-2015 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by trico (Post 1933127)
Oh man, are you showing your age:p When I was 20something my priorities, other than the obvious for a young man, were having a cool car, job, and saving for a house. My 20something kids think owning a car and house would be a burden and don't want to bother with the structure I craved at that age. We ignore or poo-poo these differences at our peril 'cause they wield more influence as time goes by. These are real differences and DALPA just got kicked in the ass partly because they didn't take them seriously or chose to ignore them.

I think dALPA got kicked because they didn't recognize social media as the new normal means of information transfer. The old standard works for the most part with some of us old guys, because to me Facebook is boring. (I really don't care what your dinner looks like) But, the younger guys certainly like it and ALPA better learn that fact and quickly. Those differences that you speak of though will blur as time goes on and they actually start making some real money.

trico 07-19-2015 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1933184)
I think dALPA got kicked because they didn't recognize social media as the new normal means of information transfer. The old standard works for the most part with some of us old guys, because to me Facebook is boring. (I really don't care what your dinner looks like) But, the younger guys certainly like it and ALPA better learn that fact and quickly. Those differences that you speak of though will blur as time goes on and they actually start making some real money.

You may be right. As long as those kids stay off my lawn things'll turn out o.k.:)

Timbo 07-19-2015 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1933171)
Nestor and Shinnick are awful examples to be sure, but my previous post was quite clear about MEC administration leadership positions...not reps.

Carl

I think you are right about the MEC administration, quite a few of them are Air Force Academy grads, many from the same class. :rolleyes:

Coincidence?

I think not.

Fish on 07-19-2015 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1932918)
Baby Boomers didn't care about money until they started reaching retirement age either Einstein. You know, free love and all that hippy dippy stuff. Nothing new at all to see here. Boomers were just as lazy when they were younger too.

Pretty broad brush there. I started working as a tile floor helper in the summer of 71' when I was 13. Five days a week all summer. I showed up at my bosses house at 4:45 am on Long Island for the hour drive into Manhattan. And no, my single mom did not wake me up.

Pay was $2/hr. not including travel time. I did that for three summers.

Carl Spackler 07-19-2015 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Fish on (Post 1933285)
Pretty broad brush there. I started working as a tile floor helper in the summer of 71' when I was 13. Five days a week all summer. I showed up at my bosses house at 4:45 am on Long Island for the hour drive into Manhattan. And no, my single mom did not wake me up.

Pay was $2/hr. not including travel time. I did that for three summers.

Hippy. :D

Carl

Gomerglideslope 07-19-2015 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1933020)
I think our biggest weakness has been what I call a "Tribal Squadron" mentality. Too often, our MEC administration's have been led by military types that see the need to surround themselves with like-minded minions. Marines surrounding themselves with other Marines, etc. I don't have military experience, only civilian. In my business life, I've been mentored by fantastic executives who taught me to resist building a team of clones from the same tribe as you. It's really easy to do, and the single biggest mistake you can make.

I think the upcoming generation will have a higher percentage of civilian types, and maybe (just maybe) they won't possess as much of this tribal squadron mentality. There are certainly plenty of military guys that reject the tribal squadron mentality, but unfortunately our recent leadership has been just the opposite. I have huge hopes for this new generation.

Carl

All rubbish Carl...despite your "business life training", you are generally an emotional response poster, you are building your own Tribal squadron here with like thinkers, and this board is becoming an echo chamber, talk about "like minded minions", this place is it...and of course the next generation will be largely non-military, how could it not be so?...right now you and your minions are holding serve, I truly hope the promised land you envision can be reached, lets see what you got.


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