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Old 07-20-2015 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
First, you have to show up at a Peach Tree City road show, then you have to take the mic, ask a question about the crappy TA and make an anti TA statement, then, he'll find you!

Be ready for a girly slap fight.
You can also walk into the lounge and yell "****** gold, buy bonds". That should smoke him out, so I'm told
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Old 07-20-2015 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Sharpest Tool was permanently banned for lying and violating the TOS. If you get permanently banned, you can get outed.

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So does that mean tsqaured got banned?
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Old 07-20-2015 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I think dALPA got kicked because they didn't recognize social media as the new normal means of information transfer. The old standard works for the most part with some of us old guys, because to me Facebook is boring. (I really don't care what your dinner looks like) But, the younger guys certainly like it and ALPA better learn that fact and quickly. Those differences that you speak of though will blur as time goes on and they actually start making some real money.
The social media aspect is a perfect study of the generational differences. DALPA still doesn't get it. Some of the baby boomers are getting it.

Information is immediate. Posts, emails, tweets, etc. are forever. Communication is two way, three way and more.

DALPA's entire effort to present the TA was based on old methods of information distribution. Old, expensive forms of communication. The old forms of information distribution were appropriate for most baby boomers. These would be mailers, flyers in v-files, email, lounge visits, and roadshows. They thought they were being really progressive using email.

I think most of us are in agreement that the P2P effort was a disaster.

Younger pilots went to Facebook, ChitChat, APC and Twitter. They read the actual contract language at the DALPA website. With the exception of the TA contract language the only other effort was the Delta MEC Comm Facebook page. This was heavily censored. When it wasn't censored, the DALPA representatives acted in a offensive manner. That didn't go over well. Elsewhere there was an information vacuum or a one way dialogue.

The promised on line roadshow never appeared. DALPA's excuse was they thought it would be edited in a negative way.

Bender, you are a really good example. This why I quoted you. You have stated a number of times that you can't be bothered to visit Facebook. You hold it in distain. That's fine. I do, too. But, I made the effort and I learned a lot. You missed a lot of information. DALPA can't afford to miss this kind of communication. They need to get up to speed and fast.

In the end, they couldn't sell something that was so deficient using any form of communication. The truth came out. Now there is a robust communications network outside of the control of DALPA. That's going to be a problem for DALPA going forward forever. They had better get their act together, fast.
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Old 07-20-2015 | 08:20 AM
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Very true. The current comm chairman an old-school political hack with zero communications chops. He's a full time FPL guy, right? The guys he's got working for think they're genius social media strategy geniuses. In reality, they're absolutely clueless about the ins and outs of social media. They've only worsened DALPA's trust deficit.

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Old 07-20-2015 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
The social media aspect is a perfect study of the generational differences. DALPA still doesn't get it. Some of the baby boomers are getting it.

Information is immediate. Posts, emails, tweets, etc. are forever. Communication is two way, three way and more.

DALPA's entire effort to present the TA was based on old methods of information distribution. Old, expensive forms of communication. The old forms of information distribution were appropriate for most baby boomers. These would be mailers, flyers in v-files, email, lounge visits, and roadshows. They thought they were being really progressive using email.

I think most of us are in agreement that the P2P effort was a disaster.

Younger pilots went to Facebook, ChitChat, APC and Twitter. They read the actual contract language at the DALPA website. With the exception of the TA contract language the only other effort was the Delta MEC Comm Facebook page. This was heavily censored. When it wasn't censored, the DALPA representatives acted in a offensive manner. That didn't go over well. Elsewhere there was an information vacuum or a one way dialogue.

The promised on line roadshow never appeared. DALPA's excuse was they thought it would be edited in a negative way.

Bender, you are a really good example. This why I quoted you. You have stated a number of times that you can't be bothered to visit Facebook. You hold it in distain. That's fine. I do, too. But, I made the effort and I learned a lot. You missed a lot of information. DALPA can't afford to miss this kind of communication. They need to get up to speed and fast.

In the end, they couldn't sell something that was so deficient using any form of communication. The truth came out. Now there is a robust communications network outside of the control of DALPA. That's going to be a problem for DALPA going forward forever. They had better get their act together, fast.
The only disagreement I would have with you is the use of the word "truth". What happened imho was that a position took on a life of it's own. iow, "truth" is in the eye of the beholder, and sometimes items of the TA were heavily slanted towards a certain view. Not saying it is right or wrong, it is what it is. Things that might have carried the agreement years ago were shouted down as it were.

The real test is going to be who backs off of their stance first. The company has no reason to really, but we'll see. I am going to be interested to see how long it will be before the tone on this board changes.

Oh, and when is the deal that Jerry said would be here within 48 hours of our no vote going to show up? How come none of ya'll are calling him out on that?
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Old 07-20-2015 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Very true. The current comm chairman an old-school political hack with zero communications chops. He's a full time FPL guy, right? The guys he's got working for think they're genius social media strategy geniuses. In reality, they're absolutely clueless about the ins and outs of social media. They've only worsened DALPA's trust deficit.
What is it with you and FPL?
Are you gonna work for free for the pilots if the doughnuts take over?
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Old 07-20-2015 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Very true. The current comm chairman an old-school political hack with zero communications chops. He's a full time FPL guy, right? The guys he's got working for think they're genius social media strategy geniuses. In reality, they're absolutely clueless about the ins and outs of social media. They've only worsened DALPA's trust deficit.
I'm a boomer and not a social media user, except here. However, this place is like the backyard fence. You know the regulars, shoot the breeze and sometimes it gets heated. Most of us just tell it like we believe.

Then, the Alpa guys go radio un silent, turn on the sonar and start pinging like crazy with talking points and one sided points. They stand out like sore thumbs and immediately everyone radar warning receivers start growling.

You don't need to be a social media expert to see through that.

I'm fine with the Alpa loving regulars, Leine, sink and whoever else. I like their perspective even if I don't always agree with it. However, frankly now, Alpa has severely shot itself in the foot by circling the wagons, immediately scheduling meetings to avoid recall, etc. it's like everything Carl ever called them out on, (which I often thought was over the top) has come true.

These guys gotta go.
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Old 07-20-2015 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
The only disagreement I would have with you is the use of the word "truth". What happened imho was that a position took on a life of it's own. iow, "truth" is in the eye of the beholder, and sometimes items of the TA were heavily slanted towards a certain view. Not saying it is right or wrong, it is what it is. Things that might have carried the agreement years ago were shouted down as it were.

The real test is going to be who backs off of their stance first. The company has no reason to really, but we'll see. I am going to be interested to see how long it will be before the tone on this board changes.

Oh, and when is the deal that Jerry said would be here within 48 hours of our no vote going to show up? How come none of ya'll are calling him out on that?
Because we're too busy still being shocked by how much of Jerry's Intel was spot on. That dude has got sources.

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Old 07-20-2015 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
First, you have to show up at a Peach Tree City road show, then you have to take the mic, ask a question about the crappy TA and make an anti TA statement, then, he'll find you!

Be ready for a girly slap fight.
From South Park, Mullis and his wife are in this one.

https://youtu.be/EKRhxvmtass?t=4s
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Old 07-20-2015 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
So does that mean tsqaured got banned?
The last sighting of T was in Oregon waiting tables at the Delta Gamma house.
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