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Old 07-28-2015 | 04:30 AM
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So does this end that "ALPA has the smartest lawyers ever" talk?
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Old 07-28-2015 | 11:54 AM
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The worst part is that the administration lied to us. Numerous emails prior to this release stated emphatically that the settlement language had NO CHANGES to the existing contract language.

A flat out lie. They gave away a significant portion of leverage we had to achieve a great new contract. Stunned.

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Old 07-28-2015 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The worst part is that the administration lied to us. Numerous emails prior to this release stated emphatically that the settlement language had NO CHANGES to the existing contract language.

A flat out lie. They gave away a significant portion of leverage we had to achieve a great new contract. Stunned.

Carl
They all had to know. They all lied to us. Forget the reps selling the yes vote even the reps that voted no knew about this. They all need to go. We need to recall them all and start over. I feel like if someone has ever had any position at ALPA they need to fly the line for the rest of their careers. I was mad at the TA but we were betrayed with the JV settlement.
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Old 07-28-2015 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
They all had to know. They all lied to us. Forget the reps selling the yes vote even the reps that voted no knew about this. They all need to go. We need to recall them all and start over. I feel like if someone has ever had any position at ALPA they need to fly the line for the rest of their careers. I was mad at the TA but we were betrayed with the JV settlement.
Agreed. I'm absolutely speechless at this.

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Old 07-28-2015 | 01:18 PM
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Yeah, it's real nice they sat on that one for a while. These guys just keep throwing gas on the fire.

What do you think the vote would have turned out like if we knew what we know now? JV settlement/China Air purchase/etc.

I'd go with 80/20. Would have been nice to have that extra leverage.
There's more to come! Since the vote: record profits, more Rjs, GOL, Skymark, China Eastern, LGA remodel, JV email. Who's playing who? What's next? Virgin Atlantic space flight codeshare.
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Old 07-28-2015 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
There's more to come! Since the vote: record profits, more Rjs, GOL, Skymark, China Eastern, LGA remodel, JV email. Who's playing who? What's next? Virgin Atlantic space flight codeshare.
Don't forget the Delta Private Jets 'codeshare'
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Old 07-28-2015 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
There's more to come! Since the vote: record profits, more Rjs, GOL, Skymark, China Eastern, LGA remodel, JV email. Who's playing who? What's next? Virgin Atlantic space flight codeshare.
And that's just SINCE the vote. How about all the lies and obfuscation leading up to NA15? The sales job itself? The transgressions are too many to list.

When does it stop? Is there a DFR lawsuit in there? I think the AF/KLM settlement has got to be close.

What exactly is the argument for keeping ALPA on the property?
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Old 07-29-2015 | 08:11 AM
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Makes me sick to see just how aligned DALPA was with Delta mgmt. It is almost like they are representing Delta mgmt. instead of the pilot group. Unbelievable. Donatelli is a disgrace.
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Old 07-29-2015 | 08:16 AM
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Makes me sick to see just how aligned DALPA was with Delta mgmt. It is almost like they are representing Delta mgmt. instead of the pilot group. Unbelievable. Donatelli is a disgrace.
I agree, and after reading the c48 update on chitchat I'm wondering if there is any hope for Dalpa at all
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Old 07-29-2015 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
Agreed!

What would happen if 12,000 DAL pilots suddenly said "We're not going to honor our contract....we'll just not fly our last leg on our rotation".

The company would go ape-****** and would try to sue everyone involved.

The MEC, and the "shadow MEC" (the entrenched DALPA administration) just bent over and took pennies on the dollar for a CONTRACT VIOLATION.

DALPA's been bent over with it's *** up in the air for so long it's sunburned.
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