Are you serious or being a smart donkey?

Even your Outgoing NC, Outgoing MEC-Chair and soon to be ousted YES Voting Reps, said the same thing.

TEN

 

Ten,

I think the words coming from sleepy Ed's mouth are significantly different than coming from the union guys.

Given the history with him in BKrptcy, now that we are making Billions, he's still giving the finger.

This is not the time to play hardball.

 

I think our NC and MEC gave us the "finger" when they:

1) Tried to sell us on Management's phrase "Last, Best and Final Offer"

2) Tried to sell us on a concessionary, self funding TA1

Both are saying the same thing, in different ways. Both are getting paid handsomely too.

Sleepy ED=Steenland

Cheers Brother,

TEN

 

Again, I think the biggest problem we have is our own union deceiving us as to the contract's net gain/loss to the pilot group. By his statement, Ed said (exactly like C2012) that this TA was cost neutral to Delta. Whatever gains received by the pilots MUST be equally offset by concessions in order to make the net cost to Delta neutral. What does our union say? Our union says it's a gain of 1.1 billion over the life of the contract. Somebody's lying. But since RA and ED said this exact same thing during investor calls and as such could be in legal jeopardy if they lied about it, I think it's clear our union is the one lying.

It's probably true that the failed TA had costed gains of 1.1 billion for the term of the TA. It's also true however that company believes the value of the failed TA's CONCESSIONS were also worth 1.1 billion... making it cost neutral. We'll never get anywhere when our own union communicates a constant stream of deception.

Carl

 

I'm wondering what our "Official Negotiation Status" is right now, since we turned down the TA, and both the MEC Chairman and the Negotiating Committee have resigned, have 'Negotiations' ceased for now?

The reason I ask is, once we are -in negotiations- we are bound to behave in a 'status quo' manner, when it comes to flying overtime, sick leave usage, and other parts of our contract.

If we are no longer in negotiations (and how could we be, with no NC?) then we are NOT bound by Status Quo, so, party on Garth!

 

Once Section 6 negotiations begin, they don't technically stop until an impasse is declared or an agreement is reached. Regardless of the makeup (or lack thereof) of your committee.

Carl

 

It's status quo since openers have already been exchanged.

 

Good-Faith Bargaining Law & Legal Definition

Good-faith bargaining generally refers to the duty of the parties to meet and negotiate at reasonable times with willingness to reach agreement on matters within the scope of representation; however, neither party is required to make a concession or agree to any proposal.
Good faith bargaining requires employers and unions involved in collective bargaining to:

• use their best endeavours to agree to an effective bargaining process
• meet and consider and respond to proposals made by each other
• respect the role of the other's representative by not seeking to bargain directly with those for whom the representative acts
• not do anything to undermine the bargaining process or the authority of the other's representative.

As with most legal principles the assumption is you are within compliance of the law until accused and judged otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty. This is the concept that requires evidence of harm before compensation is granted. If either side makes an accusation of bad faith then the NMB and a judge my get involved, until then its all just a part of positioning.

 

I've heard a lot of talk from both the union and the company about us getting pay out of line with our peers (AA, UAL) Well that doesn't seem to cut both ways. Here is the total CEO compensations for 2014 from Airline Biz Blog
Delta CEO $17.59 million
United CEO $12.76 million
American CEO $12.3 million
So it only seems to be a problem if it has to do with pilot pay. Additionally we are the only employee group that has not reached their pre give back payrates. I know that old Lee M didn't do us any favors by saying that we have reached our pre-BK payrates, however that does not count the 32% paycut that we took to try and stay out of BK. The FA's are now 6% above their pre give back payrates while we trail ours by about 15-18%. I would think that we could make a case that the company is being punitive as we have been singled out.

 

Our CEO was way ahead of his peers until recently, they've been catching up. IOW, he's been making quite a bit more than his peers for several years, 2 to 3 times as much.