RA on Dueling PS Plans and E-190's
10-14-2015 | 08:38 PM
#21
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Whatever.
It has nothing to do with previous experience or anything lacking. Not all new hires are created equally. Plus it's not my decision anyway.
I have always, always been a scope recapture guy. I want delta pilots to fly everything under the delta brand.
If some weasel wants to make it some mil vs civ thing or north vs south or green vs blue, that's on him.
It has nothing to do with previous experience or anything lacking. Not all new hires are created equally. Plus it's not my decision anyway.
I have always, always been a scope recapture guy. I want delta pilots to fly everything under the delta brand.
If some weasel wants to make it some mil vs civ thing or north vs south or green vs blue, that's on him.
Maybe it's insurance. Maybe it's that a lot of mid level FO's are making more than most captains. But, the TA had Deltas wishes all over it.
10-15-2015 | 04:12 AM
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The point I was making a few months ago had nothing to do with pilots ability, or previous experience and none should take it that way. It had everything to do with money.
Maybe it's insurance. Maybe it's that a lot of mid level FO's are making more than most captains. But, the TA had Deltas wishes all over it.
Maybe it's insurance. Maybe it's that a lot of mid level FO's are making more than most captains. But, the TA had Deltas wishes all over it.
No one ever got on your case. They don't have the stones.
Anyway, I tend to agree with FTB about the 190. It's the md88 replacement at a lower pay rate ... Which is already lower than smaller airframes.
10-15-2015 | 04:42 AM
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Why do we never hear this type of argument from our union? Sometimes it is difficult to tell which side our union is representing.
Exactly. I had a long talk with the ATL Intl CP about sick leave. He said the company wants to match the rest of the industry, but HE SAID the rest of the industry "Incentivizes sick leave", as in, they bank it and/or pay out unused sick leave at the end of the year.
So any 'industry average' comparison to our 'use it or lose it' is apples to oranges. His words, not mine. I just agreed with him. He was frustrated because he's supposed to be the Sick Leave Police, when in fact, nobody was 'abusing' it, they were just using it.
It's a benefit in our contract, just like vacation.
Do you use all your vacation? Are you a Vacation Abuser?
So any 'industry average' comparison to our 'use it or lose it' is apples to oranges. His words, not mine. I just agreed with him. He was frustrated because he's supposed to be the Sick Leave Police, when in fact, nobody was 'abusing' it, they were just using it.
It's a benefit in our contract, just like vacation.
Do you use all your vacation? Are you a Vacation Abuser?
10-15-2015 | 05:22 AM
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I think you guys are kidding yourselves that management doesnt want ______ pay rate too low.
They want their costs as low as possible. Additionally, there have been lots and lots of very inexperienced captains flying with very inexperienced FOs hauling a good chunk of Delta passengers (DL Connection).
They want their costs as low as possible. Additionally, there have been lots and lots of very inexperienced captains flying with very inexperienced FOs hauling a good chunk of Delta passengers (DL Connection).
10-15-2015 | 05:34 AM
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For those of you who were not here when Delta started "Express" in 1996, we had guys on furlough from 1993, who were recalled to CAPTAIN on the 737 Express in 1996.
It was only the bottom 3 Captains on Express, but still, you had 3 guys who had NEVER flown as a Delta copilot, (they were 727/L10-11 engineers when furloughed) who were recalled to Express 737 Captain in MCO.
Pair that up with a new hire, things can get pretty funny, pretty fast!
It was only the bottom 3 Captains on Express, but still, you had 3 guys who had NEVER flown as a Delta copilot, (they were 727/L10-11 engineers when furloughed) who were recalled to Express 737 Captain in MCO.
Pair that up with a new hire, things can get pretty funny, pretty fast!
If they operated the aircraft at DCI I think they would be able to manage the airplane. If the flying is recaptured the rates could be improved over time. The synergies of a single fleet would offset the costs.
Republic already can't maintain their flying. Now might be the right time.
Delta Sues Republic Airways Over Canceled Flights - WSJ
10-15-2015 | 05:56 AM
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I think you guys are kidding yourselves that management doesnt want ______ pay rate too low.
They want their costs as low as possible. Additionally, there have been lots and lots of very inexperienced captains flying with very inexperienced FOs hauling a good chunk of Delta passengers (DL Connection).
They want their costs as low as possible. Additionally, there have been lots and lots of very inexperienced captains flying with very inexperienced FOs hauling a good chunk of Delta passengers (DL Connection).
10-16-2015 | 04:16 AM
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Don't forget Americans "Sick if needed Policy" for reserve Pilots which further invalidates any comparison between our sick use numbers.
They can call in sick on reserve and if they were not going to be called out for a trip - zero sick leave used, nada, zilch, nothing. So how can we accurately compare our reserve Pilot sick use to them.
Ive got an idea - give us "Sick if needed" and then we can compare our numbers.
Scoop
They can call in sick on reserve and if they were not going to be called out for a trip - zero sick leave used, nada, zilch, nothing. So how can we accurately compare our reserve Pilot sick use to them.
Ive got an idea - give us "Sick if needed" and then we can compare our numbers.
Scoop
I have to throw it in, sorry-- thanks C12 for the ALV+15 (with bonus 117 features).
10-16-2015 | 05:14 AM
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Looking backward to see what's ahead. Thanks Harwood and Hanson.
10-16-2015 | 07:34 AM
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I think you guys are kidding yourselves that management doesnt want ______ pay rate too low.
They want their costs as low as possible. Additionally, there have been lots and lots of very inexperienced captains flying with very inexperienced FOs hauling a good chunk of Delta passengers (DL Connection).
They want their costs as low as possible. Additionally, there have been lots and lots of very inexperienced captains flying with very inexperienced FOs hauling a good chunk of Delta passengers (DL Connection).
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