So what are the "UAL/AA" average" rates in '16/'17? Are they readily available anywhere?

The charts on the first post are the comparison rates we would get in 2016 and 2017. The tables were developed with the current UAL and AAL contracts. The formula is from the Contract Awareness publication 15-05.


April 1, 2015
April 1, 2015 Pay Rate Increase
As of April 1, 2015, Delta pilots will receive a 0.55 percent pay increase. This pay raise results from PWA Section 3. B. 4., which triggers a comparison of Delta pilot pay rates to the industry average pilot pay rates when a pay increase is given to a large segment of the Delta U.S.-based non-pilot workgroup.

History In 2004, the Delta pilots agreed to significant pay rate reductions in an effort to keep the Company from going into bankruptcy. Coupled to that agreement, the language in Section 3. B. 4. was added to the PWA, which states that the Company would increase the Delta pilot pay rates to the industry average if Delta granted pay increases to 30 percent or more of the U.S. based non-pilot workgroup.

In September of 2014, Delta announced pay increases to more than 30 percent of the U.S.based non-pilot workgroup that will take effect on April 1, 2015, thus triggering a review of the Delta pilot pay rates.

Section 3 B. 4. Pay Increase Details The first step of the review starts by determining if the Delta pay rates are below the industry average. If they are lower, the PWA requires comparison of the top-of-scale pay rates of the 757 at Delta with the top-of-scale, daytime, domestic 757 pay rates at American and United. All models of 757 were included in the comparison and a weighted average was used when an airline pays different rates to different models of 757.

The following table details the industry average computation:

1. American Air Lines has banded their aircraft pay rates into 4 groups. The 757 is part of Group 3 and the top-of scale Group 3 hourly pay rate is $242.04.

2. United Air Lines pays the 757-200 and 757-300 different pay rates. A weighted average is computed based upon the United fleet as of the review trigger date, April 1, 2015.
a. United weighted average 757 pay rate computation 757-200 757-300 Number of airframes 74 21 Top-of-Scale Captain Pay Rate $ 211.18 $ 218.83 Weighted Pay Rate $ 212.87

3. The average of the top-of-scale pay rates at American and United (industry average) is $227.46.

4. Comparing this average with the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain pay rate of $226.21 indicates that the Delta pilots trail the industry average hourly pay rate by $1.25 and an increase of .55 percent to the Delta rates is required to match the industry average.

Result The across the board Delta non-pilot pay increase (3 percent) is compared to the increase necessary to match the industry average pilot pay rate (.55 percent) and Delta adjusts all the Delta pilot pay rates by the lesser value (in this case, .55 percent.)

Section 3 B. 4. is excerpted below:

Section 3 B. 4: If, during any consecutive rolling 18-month period, the Company grants an acrossthe-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more of its non-pilot U.S.-based workforce, then a review of pilot composite hourly rates will be triggered. If, as a result of that review, it is determined that, as of the date the review was triggered, the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate is less than 100% of the average of the top-of-scale 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, the pilot composite hourly rates will be increased (except as provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note). The amount of increase will be the lesser of the percentage difference between the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate and 100% of the top-of-scale average 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, or the average percentage increase (except as provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note) granted to the non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups of the Company. Any percentage increase due the pilots will be effective as of the date of the increase that triggered the review.

Note: Base pay rates for non-pilot U.S. – based workgroups will only be considered to have increased to the extent they exceed the rates in effect on July 1, 2012. Should an increase for non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups exceed the base pay rates in effect on July 1, 2012, then only the percentage by which such an increase exceeds the applicable July 1, 2012, base pay rates will be considered in the calculation of the percentage increase that may be applied to pilot composite hourly rates.

This will eventually get triggered if not 2016 at 3% then 2017 at 6%. This provision is one of the best in our contract and should never allowed to be modified to include profit sharing.

I guess EB told some pilots on the LHR run that Delta makes 75% of the profits on our JV Virgin Atlantic flights.

Pressing for them to do more of the flying.

Rumor repeater.

Agree 100% here. Modifying it to include PS would basically make it worthless.

Funny how we get these items when we are getting gutted in the bad times and if they eventually do pay off DALPA appears ready to sign them away.

Scoop

Rather than post it again I'll just post the link. We have some powerful clauses in our current contract that don't expire.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ml#post1999429

Plus one............+1

Unless I am missing something the chink in our armor so to speak, is the 3B5 that expires this December. Starting next year the company can give the non-contract unlimited bonus dollars with zero affect on 3B4.

Does this sound about right?

Scoop

That was the threat, early raises this year and bonuses next year. Bonuses for hourly wage employees is out of the norm for a compensation model. I think wall street will react poorly when they notice the compensation shenanigans.

I think it would be interesting if Malone would comment on this situation. We've had a few shots across the bow and it's time to make a statement.