I don't think that has anything to do with it. Iow, it's a non sequitur. I also don't think mil vs civ has anything to do with it.

Clearly, in the military there are stupid rules that define stupidity. However, you see some of that carried over to the for profit sector as well. Disco belts always lost you cool points whenever they were present. But, anytime you're on a ramp overseas, you're supposed to wear a reflective vest, day or night...in Japan, there's a guy posted at every plane to check that you're wearing it. How's that for your life defining work.

Everyone gets a vote. It's up to them to make it educated.

Unfortunately nowadays, most of the people in leadership positions in the Air Force are there because they worked harder at brown nosing than everybody else. The Guard and the reserves are a lot better, but even in the Guard they sometimes promote the yes man over the better officer. The really good leaders get fed up and leave. I have not seen this issue with the leadership at Delta but it seems to happen with ALPA to a lesser scale.

I think the point may be that we are pilots.

Those that had "leadership" jobs at their former employment can tend to think that they are too good to just be a pilot. Not all, just some.

We are all civilian pilots now.

Just turning a screw on the assembly line.

It's a fun screw though.



I don't mean screw screw though. A screw. The type you insert in... screw it.

I apologize if I jumped to a conclusion.

No worries! Like you said, "we're all united, a big melting pot." So let's get that TA all of you deserve!

That's funny...I thought my career was finished at least a dozen times after speaking truth to generals or WG/CCs! I later learned that some that I argued with in public were the very ones who pushed my career much farther than I ever intended and put me into multiple leadership positions. They craved the feedback and dialectic nobody else was ballsey enough to give. You just had to make dang sure you were right before you opened your mouth.

Dude, I saw the biggest douche bags get promoted because they were good at being the CCs *****. They were always looking out for number one and what bullet they can put on their OPR. They just "craved" the cronyism. I bet maybe 10% of the leadership weren't self serving wankers. I'm sure you were awesome though. I'm also sure this is a naturally occurring dynamic, that exists in most large organizations. I also think guard should be used as a joke freq. there isn't an emergency out there that needs a radio call immediately. Laugh away boys, your welcome. Any slog through this TA is going to be up hill, and done by the line pilots.

How long ago were you in? It's a whole different AF now. Dudes losing their wings over joking text messages, and now the AF telling its members that they pretty much have no 4th Amendment rights:
In Message to Wing Commanders, Welsh Declares "Zero Privacy" Doctrine For All Airmen - John Q. Public and SAPR meetings/briefings galore because apparently we're all guilty of sexual harassment.
But back to the TA! Life is definitely better on this side of the fence.:)

This sounds like something David Nestor would write...NESTOR SHOULD RESIGN, as should all ALPA reps who gave us the last TA. The fact that they don't, and even fought recall, just shows how they are all in this for themselves and not for us. Nestor's latest pleadings for us to reelect him disgusts me. It seems to me that he and others who want reelection are clinging to some grand dream for being an ALPA big wig one day. Why else would someone run again after such epic failures (the failures being the TA AND the total misread of the desires of the pilots they claim to represent). Worse, Nestor claims to be no politician, but he loves to post a narcissistic photo of himself posing in a suit in front of the Capital Building in Wash DC. A better picture of a politician I've never seen.