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Originally Posted by pileit (Post 1998381)

Possibly, but let's keep it on topic. I am curious how many posts will occur before even one person puts up some "YES" vote numbers and sick leave demands. I have been seeking this answer for 6 months without a single answer.

I MUST assume that if someone voted NO that they had in mind what would cause them to vote YES. What is the answer to that?

I voted no. I will tell you what gets my yes vote and what I will say of polled.

20% raise day one and at least 4 every year.
No change to sick leave.
No rotations removed from FO bid pack.
No reduction in leverage for future contracts do not change 3.B.4
Do not reduce scope in any way.
If we are going to trade profit sharing we need to do it after section 6.
The only think I would be willing to negotiate about is the payrates. The others are one issue no votes for me.

I will wait as long as it takes to get it right.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1998403)

All our furloughed pilots are back. Those ground employee jobs are gone forever. A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE
If however we as pilots feel that the ground employees and F/A's should be our benchmark then let's go to management and demand the same relative standard of pay and productivity relative to the competition the ground employees are getting. We will have a contract done in days and a incredibly happy management team.

The part time rampers that left I'm sure said 'No Thanks' to the offer! Is your career portable? And don't try to deflect into 'relative to the competition'. Restoration is about what we HAD. What we MADE. Say it again... RESTORATION. We are the most profitable and successful airline in the history of the known universe. You want to talk productivity? How are those 90 hour months treating you? When did we have those in C2K? Puhleez...

Also, do you have any idea how many of those DGS jobs are now staffed by RETIRED DL employees? That's right... they got their pensions, retirement bonuses, and are staying on the payroll! Sweet deal! How about the CASH CARDS that the FA's get for doing well on surveys that WE are a part of? Have you recently gotten any cash from the company? Me neither!

Hands off the profit sharing. :mad:No one I know asked for it to be "monetized."

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1998415)

Hands off the profit sharing. :mad:No one I know asked for it to be "monetized."

ABSOFU¢kINGLUTELY!

I don't want them to touch it at all, but the last TA not only monetized it, they tried to call it a raise when it wasn't just like they just did for the non-contract employees!

Well, Pileit, you have three or four direct answers to your original question, sans "chest-thumping". What say you?

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Originally Posted by Laserowner (Post 1998421)

Well, Pileit, you have three or four direct answers to your original question, sans "chest-thumping". What say you?

He just signed up for APC this month and has 7 posts. Maybe we are going back to the table.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1998397)

All our furloughed pilots are back. Those ground employee jobs are gone forever. A slight difference.

Sailing. They have been outsourcing ground employees ever since the merger. That has nothing to do with us.

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Originally Posted by pileit (Post 1998372)

Again, restoration is MY goal too. But we didn't have profit sharing back in C2K as well as a number of other items. What will it take today including profit sharing to be considered "restoration"?

Man you are obtuse.

We had a pension in C2K.

The "profit sharing" was a bone tossed in during the exiting of BK as a sweetener for HANDING OVER our pension.

It was never projected to pay at the levels we now see.

So, now, you want to give it back???

Include it in the restorative numbers???

You' re simply shortsighted and laughable to come here and suggest that.

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Originally Posted by pileit (Post 1998370)

Thanks, I am very familiar with the give backs I have lived through them all along with stagnation. Not fun. I ALSO want restoration. BUT I am truly curious what NO voters believe we can actually achieve. That continues to be an elusive question...what numbers do you need to see for a YES vote? Thanks.

No concessions, better work rules. 6 hour minimum days. Less outsourcing, period. 35-40% pay-raise in 3 years would be minimum. A "plan" to make sure we get at least 60% FAE in retirement, guaranteed. Better medical coverage.

WORK LESS, MAKE MORE. That should be the goal of any UNION. When you start working extremely efficient like we are (ie working our a$$es off) the wheels start falling off, safety becomes an issue. We need to throttle back our work hours, we are not machines. At this current rate our Sick calls and incidents will increase.

TEN

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Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1998416)

ABSOFU¢kINGLUTELY!

I don't want them to touch it at all, but the last TA not only monetized it, they tried to call it a raise when it wasn't just like they just did for the non-contract employees!

All of a sudden the profit forecast becomes favorable for the employees and all management can do is lose sleep on trying to figure out techniques to deprive us from the very thing they promised us as they stole our work-rules and pensions. INDIAN GIVERS(sorry for the not politically correct saying).

Shame on them :mad:

TEN