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gzsg 11-20-2015 04:38 PM

UAL Deal Effect On 3B4
 
Now that United and American have rates higher than ours, how will that play out?

New UAL 757A $245 vs Delta $226.

GivemeVSP 11-20-2015 04:43 PM

It looks like 3.B.4 won't be triggered because the raise happens 1/1/16...if it happened 12/1/15 we would get it

gzsg 11-20-2015 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by GivemeVSP (Post 2014429)
It looks like 3.B.4 won't be triggered because the raise happens 1/1/16...if it happened 12/1/15 we would get it

And going forward?

Can only be good news.

AA 757A $242

GivemeVSP 11-20-2015 04:48 PM

Then our pay raises will be the equivalent of whatever the non-contracts get...

Army80 11-21-2015 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by GivemeVSP (Post 2014438)
Then our pay raises will be the equivalent of whatever the non-contracts get...


They could give the non contracts a "bonus" and that would not trigger jack for the pilots.

horrido27 11-21-2015 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2014425)
Now that United and American have rates higher than ours, how will that play out?

New UAL 757A $245 vs Delta $226.

Care to explain where you got your numbers.. as there has been NOTHING put out official with regards to our (UAL) Contract extension?

Just a rumor of 16% for first year.. but unknown if that is on top of the scheduled 3% as of 1 Jan 16, or 13% + the scheduled 3%, or if it's 16% as of 1 Dec 15... etc. {And that's IF the rumors are true}

Amazing how people are already posting opinions of something that still doesn't even exist.
oh, and our current 2016 payrate for 757-2 Capt, 12th yr =
$217.52
x 16% = (+34.80)
New Rate would be $252.32!

However, these are still rumors and alot more info needs to come out besides payrates for me to vote YES.

Always
Motch

Big E 757 11-21-2015 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2014646)
Care to explain where you got your numbers.. as there has been NOTHING put out official with regards to our (UAL) Contract extension?

Just a rumor of 16% for first year.. but unknown if that is on top of the scheduled 3% as of 1 Jan 16, or 13% + the scheduled 3%, or if it's 16% as of 1 Dec 15... etc. {And that's IF the rumors are true}

Amazing how people are already posting opinions of something that still doesn't even exist.
oh, and our current 2016 payrate for 757-2 Capt, 12th yr =
$217.52
x 16% = (+34.80)
New Rate would be $252.32!

However, these are still rumors and alot more info needs to come out besides payrates for me to vote YES.

Always
Motch


You're absolutely correct, Horrido. I think he was just crunching numbers based on the rumor. $217.52 X 13%= $245.80.

Any rumor about work rule concessions to get that raise? Just curious. I haven't been following the happenings at UAL and had no idea you guys were even negotiating. This is a mid contract bump right? Management must want something if they're willing to give you guys a nice bump like that.

gzsg 11-21-2015 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Army80 (Post 2014594)
They could give the non contracts a "bonus" and that would not trigger jack for the pilots.

I've heard that before. It would be an act of war.

Not gonna happen.

gzsg 11-21-2015 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2014646)
Care to explain where you got your numbers.. as there has been NOTHING put out official with regards to our (UAL) Contract extension?

Just a rumor of 16% for first year.. but unknown if that is on top of the scheduled 3% as of 1 Jan 16, or 13% + the scheduled 3%, or if it's 16% as of 1 Dec 15... etc. {And that's IF the rumors are true}

Amazing how people are already posting opinions of something that still doesn't even exist.
oh, and our current 2016 payrate for 757-2 Capt, 12th yr =
$217.52
x 16% = (+34.80)
New Rate would be $252.32!

However, these are still rumors and alot more info needs to come out besides payrates for me to vote YES.

Always
Motch

I like your math motch better.

notEnuf 11-21-2015 12:42 PM

If the UAL 13% number is correct, then that is the value of the raise being circumvented by the Dec. 1 date for the non-con raise. If it were still Apr. 1 then 13% is less than 14.5% and that would apply. Remember you are the best pilots in the industry and should be paid... Yada, yada...

Now we bank raises equal too the non-cons for years to come under C2012, without concessions!


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