Gjn290

I never claimed Compass is immune. I merely stated that we haven't had staffing issues. We have over 720 pilots and about 60 airplanes. Compass is trying to stay ahead of the hiring curve, that's why the bonus and now first year pay raise came about.

Gators

Apparently Compass has plans to hire 40/ month through spring. IMO, the recent improvements are an attempt to increase the chances of being able to hire that amount in the upcoming months. The reason for hiring that many people remains a mystery as far as I know...

John Carr

Possibly. But the way that 117 has affected regional airlines in the amount of flying done. Granted, NOT ALL, but some.

Meaning, "timing out" at the end of the year is more difficult nowadays.

It's more related to staffing issues, especially at RAH. It's been happening for a while with RAH/DelCon flying.

Agreed. The 50 seat RJ is the scourge. In efficient, a terrible airframe, etc etc etc. Yet the current scope wants to get rid of them, GOOD. But what's a BIGGER threat to the mainline narrow body job? The crappy 50 seater (today's turbo prop) going from hub to easy jesus crap-hole small town nowhere? Or the 70+ plus seat jet serving larger cities?

DAL is light year ahead with the 717 taking over much of what used to be done with RJ's. But that train needs to keep on rolling, MORE elimination of the 70+ seat scope.

True. And sadly, mainline wants the regional feed to be cheaper and cheaper. Even though they are getting regional feed at rock bottom prices that were leveraged during the bankruptcies and reaping record profits.

Yet it's funny, some of the regional managements are telling their pilots they can't afford to pay them more because mainline doesn't want to pay the regional feeder more money for their lift. Yet there's regional airlines upping pay for first year FO's. The things that make you scratch your head....

Not just your opinion, pretty much fact, IMO

But sadly, as they say, "and the world keeps turning.........".

We're all waiting for this whole "Regional/RJ experiment" to fall completely on it's face. It's happening, albeit in small increments. But it's also being mitigated and slowed down some what.

404yxl

You can actually time out at any time of the year since it is a 365 day lookback now with no reset.

If you think about it, that is only 83hour/month to hit 1000. As the regionals struggle to staff, they raise their minimum line values up to 95 hours/month. Since we are almost into 2 years since 117 started, you can expect to see 1000/365 issues popping up every day and getting progressively worse as the regionals force their pilots to fly more and more months at the maximum.

With the 100 hour lookback done in 28 days instead of a calendar month, you could see pilots timing out within 9 months. A regional may think it is solving its issues by raising their minimum line value, but it may actually be coming back to bite them as they get a rolling situation where some of their pilots get block hour limited to 50 hours/month or less on a increasing basis.

John Carr

Really! Seriously? Thanks......

There was a reason I SAID "some, not all" or something along those lines.

It depends and can vary ********.

Many regional 4 trips would routinely have a pilot fly 23-24-25 and hours pre 117, with a pilot bumping up to 100 in a month if they chose or were awarded.

Talk to many (some, NOT ALL) and those trips can frequently have less. Way less than 20 hours of flying on them now due to shorter duty periods and not being able to wedge as many segments and flying into the 117 FDP compared to before.

SOME, NOT ALL....

404yxl

You stated timing out at the end of the year. I was expanding that the timing out can occur daily and it is getting worse. A pilot may not time out completely, but a bunch of them can be limited to 50 hours or less when the company needs them for 90+.

Compass has had 35 hour 5 days and 28 hour 4 days. With the removal of 30/7 they can cram more into 7 days.

As for shorter duty days, I have seen them become more efficient with removing sits and 30 hour layovers by incorporating DH's when needed. The regionals are struggling right now and it is only getting worse.

John Carr

"some, not all......."

TheManager

Apparently lack of pilots is NOT the problem. It's dispatch software integration. Something about going to the cheaper Luftansa option.

ALTBUS

For all you current Delta employees whom might be affected by the unreliability of Gojet:

I want to apologize and I hope your commutes go by smoothly. There is nothing I hate more than being embarrassed by my company.
We actually do take pride in our work and the service we provide to our partners, things are not looking any better for all the crews. We have been on the road for 3+ days and not operated a single flight, we are also loosing all of our credit hours since we don't have trip rigs, duty rigs or pay protection.
I can assure you the general consensus on the pilot group is nothing but apologetic about this situation.

zippinbye

Thanks for the information and sentiments. You will see me making unflattering comments about regional affiliates from time to time. To be clear, it is never directed toward the pilots. BTW, I was 100% a regional guy after slogging around in various air tour, cargo and corporate roles. Close to seven years in AE Saabs. Then and now, I recognized the "farm team/major league" relationship between affiliates and the mainline carriers they feed. RJs were just becoming "a thing" when I got hired at NW. I recall studies at AE that determined the 50 seat Canadair was costly tool compared to a turboprop, except for long routes with light demand. But then Skywest, ASA, etc got some, and everybody had to join in ... customer preference, and what not. Since that time a revolutionary expansion placed way more aircraft and pilots on the "farm team" side of the fence. The tables could be turning. I hope so. I'd love to see you and your colleagues over here at Delta. Meanwhile, best of luck toughing out the pains at Go Jet.