Sick leave analysis
12-09-2015 | 12:21 AM
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Looking for some math help
The company said from '08 to '11 - the sick leave rate was 6.1%
Then over the next 3 years it rose to a rate of 7.8%
I know January is one of the three lowest months on block hours (per the same news letter "January is typically the third lowest month when measuring the daily volume of flying.")
Looking at the chart they put out I guesstimated around 561,000 block hours for the month of January (is this a good number?)
6.1% of 561,000 is 34,221 and
7.8% of 561,000 is 43,758
The difference between the two is 9537 hours.
I'm not sure how they got to a 22,250 average increase in sick leave from these numbers.
Crew Resources show your work or you don't get credit!!!!
Then over the next 3 years it rose to a rate of 7.8%
I know January is one of the three lowest months on block hours (per the same news letter "January is typically the third lowest month when measuring the daily volume of flying.")
Looking at the chart they put out I guesstimated around 561,000 block hours for the month of January (is this a good number?)
6.1% of 561,000 is 34,221 and
7.8% of 561,000 is 43,758
The difference between the two is 9537 hours.
I'm not sure how they got to a 22,250 average increase in sick leave from these numbers.
Crew Resources show your work or you don't get credit!!!!
12-09-2015 | 02:47 AM
#42
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That's a GREAT idea!
In response to all this 'sick leave abuse' nonsense, DALPA should run the 'cost' numbers, if every pilot were to use every minute of sick leave available per our contract, every year, and then run the numbers on what the pilot group actually uses.
Take the difference and throw it in the company's face, tell them;
"Look, the Pilot Group is SAVING YOU $XX MILLION every year in Unused Sick Leave! You can either add that value to our next TA, or you can write each pilot a check each June 1, for his unused sick leave,
OR...you can Shut The Phuck UP about this 'sick leave abuse' nonsesnse!
It DOESN'T EXIST!"
In response to all this 'sick leave abuse' nonsense, DALPA should run the 'cost' numbers, if every pilot were to use every minute of sick leave available per our contract, every year, and then run the numbers on what the pilot group actually uses.
Take the difference and throw it in the company's face, tell them;
"Look, the Pilot Group is SAVING YOU $XX MILLION every year in Unused Sick Leave! You can either add that value to our next TA, or you can write each pilot a check each June 1, for his unused sick leave,
OR...you can Shut The Phuck UP about this 'sick leave abuse' nonsesnse!
It DOESN'T EXIST!"
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That is what should have been done a long time ago. JM: "Excuse me, Captain Dickson, this is how much negotiating capital we use every contract to keep our 240 hours of sick time $xx,xxx,xxx. We only use on average,$x,xxx,xxx." "You are making money because we aren't exercising the full benefit of our sick leave policy."
How many guys have called the company and said instead of the 15% DC contribution, I only want you to give me 6% this year. I'll give the other 9 percent back because I didn't need it this year?
12-09-2015 | 06:14 AM
#43
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is what should have been done a long time ago. JM: "Excuse me, Captain Dickson, this is how much negotiating capital we use every contract to keep our 240 hours of sick time $xx,xxx,xxx. We only use on average,$x,xxx,xxx." "You are making money because we aren't exercising the full benefit of our sick leave policy."
How many guys have called the company and said instead of the 15% DC contribution, I only want you to give me 6% this year. I'll give the other 9 percent back because I didn't need it this year?
That is what should have been done a long time ago. JM: "Excuse me, Captain Dickson, this is how much negotiating capital we use every contract to keep our 240 hours of sick time $xx,xxx,xxx. We only use on average,$x,xxx,xxx." "You are making money because we aren't exercising the full benefit of our sick leave policy."
How many guys have called the company and said instead of the 15% DC contribution, I only want you to give me 6% this year. I'll give the other 9 percent back because I didn't need it this year?
12-09-2015 | 06:51 AM
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Frankly I'm shocked that alpa said anything. Now how about backing that up with restorative action about the current draconian requirements. It sometimes takes an act of congress just to get an appt with a doctor to absolve myself about a condition which is weeks passed. ***?
12-09-2015 | 06:52 AM
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The problem is, the company charges us X in negotiating capital for sick leave.
They then expect to actually pay out X minus [a lot] by making it as difficult as they can to use X.
This is where a striong union is required. We need to push back against the company short-changing us on a negotiated benefit.
The more the company harps in this, the more desperate (weak) they seem, and the more we realize we need to improve our contractual protections--not weaken them.
They then expect to actually pay out X minus [a lot] by making it as difficult as they can to use X.
This is where a striong union is required. We need to push back against the company short-changing us on a negotiated benefit.
The more the company harps in this, the more desperate (weak) they seem, and the more we realize we need to improve our contractual protections--not weaken them.
12-09-2015 | 07:09 AM
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Wow. That worked.
Type A pilots rushing to put out a fire. Or at least pointing and yelling fire.
Reintroduce the "sick leave abuse" narrative right before we are to return to the negotiating table. Distract and try to create leverage for concessions by making the union manage "new data" and respond to the pilots calls for a rebuttal. Distraction much. Sounds like the "windshear in the area" brief right before the V1 cut. Was windshear really ever the threat?
Type A pilots rushing to put out a fire. Or at least pointing and yelling fire.
Reintroduce the "sick leave abuse" narrative right before we are to return to the negotiating table. Distract and try to create leverage for concessions by making the union manage "new data" and respond to the pilots calls for a rebuttal. Distraction much. Sounds like the "windshear in the area" brief right before the V1 cut. Was windshear really ever the threat?
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12-09-2015 | 08:28 AM
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The company said from '08 to '11 - the sick leave rate was 6.1%
Then over the next 3 years it rose to a rate of 7.8%
I know January is one of the three lowest months on block hours (per the same news letter "January is typically the third lowest month when measuring the daily volume of flying.")
Looking at the chart they put out I guesstimated around 561,000 block hours for the month of January (is this a good number?)
6.1% of 561,000 is 34,221 and
7.8% of 561,000 is 43,758
The difference between the two is 9537 hours.
I'm not sure how they got to a 22,250 average increase in sick leave from these numbers.
Crew Resources show your work or you don't get credit!!!!
Then over the next 3 years it rose to a rate of 7.8%
I know January is one of the three lowest months on block hours (per the same news letter "January is typically the third lowest month when measuring the daily volume of flying.")
Looking at the chart they put out I guesstimated around 561,000 block hours for the month of January (is this a good number?)
6.1% of 561,000 is 34,221 and
7.8% of 561,000 is 43,758
The difference between the two is 9537 hours.
I'm not sure how they got to a 22,250 average increase in sick leave from these numbers.
Crew Resources show your work or you don't get credit!!!!
12-09-2015 | 09:17 AM
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Pretty transparent attempt to bypass the union on their number one must have item. Next will be publishing W-2's of the most senior FO's. Industrial psych. 101.
They need to extract productivity in order to give payraises. Nice try, Bastian and Campbell are pulling out all the tricks.
They need to extract productivity in order to give payraises. Nice try, Bastian and Campbell are pulling out all the tricks.
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