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Old 12-09-2015 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
You need a new doctor. I send my Doc an electronic note or phone the office and his staff writes an electronic response. I personally find it offensive to get a note from the Doc, but it isn't the end of the world. As near as I can tell we get more annual sick leave than anyone and we need to protect it. OFG
Let Turbo make his own choice about who his doctor should be.

If the same oppressive sick leave language is in the next TA, we need to choose who our union should be.
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Old 12-09-2015 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Best I can tell, the pilots are being stand up guys and not calling in sick on the holidays. Seems to me that things are perfectly fine.
By the way, exactly who is it that flies on the holidays? Is it our older, more senior pilots? Or is it the younger, more junior pilots?

So why is it such a surprise that sick leave goes down on the holidays? Crew resources should be smart enough to figure that out without any graphs or charts.
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Old 12-09-2015 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
You need a new doctor. I send my Doc an electronic note or phone the office and his staff writes an electronic response. I personally find it offensive to get a note from the Doc, but it isn't the end of the world. As near as I can tell we get more annual sick leave than anyone and we need to protect it. OFG
Sick abuse is a red herring and NO, we do not need to get new doctors to accommodate the company's BS.

Any adjustment to sick leave, unless they give us more unverified, is an auto NO vote for me. I'm not going to move an inch.

We already gave the company the sick policy they "had to have" on the last contract. It's time for our must haves.
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Old 12-09-2015 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Sick abuse is a red herring and NO, we do not need to get new doctors to accommodate the company's BS.

Any adjustment to sick leave, unless they give us more unverified, is an auto NO vote for me. I'm not going to move an inch.

We already gave the company the sick policy they "had to have" on the last contract. It's time for our must haves.
Problem with posts vs face to face... Did I suggest changing the sick leave system in the post? I'm ok with changing some things FOR A PRICE. I agree the "sick abuse" is probably a red herring... Maybe, but I can also imagine Mr A telling SD his division has a $48M problem he needs to fix. That is potential leverage if SD is willing to pay >> $48M to get Mr A off his arse. These dudes are bean counters. Our present sick leave system is hardly "draconian." We get a bunch of sick leave. Being asked for a note occasionally I can live with although I personally find it offensive: this is CURRENT contract . If DAL wants to press the issue I'll call in sick and see a Doc for every sniffle and I'll wind up calling in sick more often and I'll bury them in paperwork. You guys are the ones making a mountain out of a mole hill and you are the ones being distracted. I'll revise my statement: And I'm talking about the current contract under which we occasionally have to verify sick leave. Keep your Doc, BUT if MY doctor couldn't have his/her staff produce a simple BS note for DL I'd change Docs that day. OFG
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Old 12-09-2015 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
Problem with posts vs face to face... Did I suggest changing the sick leave system in the post? I'm ok with changing some things FOR A PRICE. I agree the "sick abuse" is probably a red herring... Maybe, but I can also imagine Mr A telling SD his division has a $48M problem he needs to fix. That is potential leverage if SD is willing to pay >> $48M to get Mr A off his arse. These dudes are bean counters. Our present sick leave system is hardly "draconian." We get a bunch of sick leave. Being asked for a note occasionally I can live with although I personally find it offensive: this is CURRENT contract . If DAL wants to press the issue I'll call in sick and see a Doc for every sniffle and I'll wind up calling in sick more often and I'll bury them in paperwork. You guys are the ones making a mountain out of a mole hill and you are the ones being distracted. I'll revise my statement: And I'm talking about the current contract under which we occasionally have to verify sick leave. Keep your Doc, BUT if MY doctor couldn't have his/her staff produce a simple BS note for DL I'd change Docs that day. OFG
Do you think you will ever be successful enough in life to be able to not have to behave like a stockboy at Walmart?

I know we are grown ups that wear a uniform with a name tag and short sleeve shirt with a tie, so I guess it sort of makes sense.

Dignity is so over rated....
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Old 12-09-2015 | 03:44 PM
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Old 12-09-2015 | 03:51 PM
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Remember, we "set the tone".

The "welcome mat" tone needs to stop.
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Old 12-09-2015 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
Problem with posts vs face to face... Did I suggest changing the sick leave system in the post? I'm ok with changing some things FOR A PRICE. I agree the "sick abuse" is probably a red herring... Maybe, but I can also imagine Mr A telling SD his division has a $48M problem he needs to fix. That is potential leverage if SD is willing to pay >> $48M to get Mr A off his arse. These dudes are bean counters. Our present sick leave system is hardly "draconian." We get a bunch of sick leave. Being asked for a note occasionally I can live with although I personally find it offensive: this is CURRENT contract . If DAL wants to press the issue I'll call in sick and see a Doc for every sniffle and I'll wind up calling in sick more often and I'll bury them in paperwork. You guys are the ones making a mountain out of a mole hill and you are the ones being distracted. I'll revise my statement: And I'm talking about the current contract under which we occasionally have to verify sick leave. Keep your Doc, BUT if MY doctor couldn't have his/her staff produce a simple BS note for DL I'd change Docs that day. OFG
This is and has been one of RAs issues, he brought it from NWA and I would imagine that was a carry over from Continental. I had approx 2200 hours sick leave and knew numerous others that had like accumulations. It was not abused but looked at as an insurance policy...it was payed out at 80 hours a month. During the merger we exchanged the hours for DPMA premiums...oh boy, and top off.
This just looks like a regurgitated argument.
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Old 12-09-2015 | 06:57 PM
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Crew resources seems to be worried about the dips in the sick leave chart on the exact date of the holidays. Should I help out by calling in sick on the 25th and the 1st?
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Old 12-10-2015 | 06:43 AM
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Here, here, now..... we will have no outside of the box thinking around this place...,
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