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forgot to bid 12-22-2015 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2032903)
So, they are proposing:

- 22%/7%/& 7%
- For all of the draconian (and embarrassing) sick leave language from TA 1 to be removed.
- LCA/FO flying to remain what it is now.
- More vacation.
- No change in the profit sharing formula.
- and many other "pluses"

AND they are publicizing the openers?

Mr. New Chairman and New Negotiating Committee -- Nice job. :D

(I apologize for doubting your survey.)



I think Sailing and all the other naysayers, so far, have been proven wrong. :)

I wonder if the people who designed the survey aren't in the drivers seat? Idk.

Cubdrick 12-22-2015 07:17 PM

Speaking of Sailing, did he got lost in the Triangle on his last voyage? Sort of quiet lately.


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JungleBus 12-22-2015 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdrick (Post 2032915)
Speaking of Sailing, did he got lost in the Triangle on his last voyage? Sort of quiet lately.

Drinking Painkillers at the Soggy Dollar, last we heard of him I think. Maybe he never came back. Lucky! :D

newKnow 12-22-2015 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2032909)
I wonder if the people who designed the survey aren't in the drivers seat? Idk.

Good point. I wonder when that survey was designed and by who? ;)

notEnuf 12-22-2015 08:33 PM

Delta Bets On Its Punctuality. Will it Work? (DAL) (DAL)

I think management needs our cooperation. The new marketing campaign relies on our operational performance.

MtEverest 12-22-2015 09:11 PM

Huge tactical error opening so close to what most pilots will consider their contract floor. 60% FAE should have been included along with min day. If we go down even 1% from our opening position, I'm a no.

Again, you don't anchor your negotiating position so close to your bottom line. If the company pushes for any of the bogus nonsense they proposed in TA1 the operation will degrade in every category and DPA will get a shot at TA3.

If scope isn't air tight and management keeps buying/sending flying to alter ego flying operations, the congressional writing campaign from Delta pilots needs to begin to keep US pilot jobs in the US. It's complete hypocrisy to be writing letters to save jobs while management siphons those jobs to other carriers. Just because management decides which other than Delta pilots to use does not make it right to outsource in such a way.

If management drags their feet or insults the Delta pilots in their "counter" it will be time to take the gloves off and get very public about every little and big thing that is wrong with them vs us from compensation (stealing our pensions while handsomely rewarding themselves) to anti american tax policy, etc

Sputnik 12-22-2015 11:35 PM

Sorry, what's "FAE?" Seen it mentioned a couple times.

gzsg 12-23-2015 01:28 AM


Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 2033015)
Sorry, what's "FAE?" Seen it mentioned a couple times.

Final Average Earnings FAE

I.e. Best 36 months of earnings in you last 60 months of work before retiring.

Average $20,000/month get 60% for the rest of your life in retirement. $12,000/month.

nohat 12-23-2015 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2032903)
So, they are proposing:

- 22%/7%/& 7%
- For all of the draconian (and embarrassing) sick leave language from TA 1 to be removed.
- LCA/FO flying to remain what it is now.
- More vacation.
- No change in the profit sharing formula.
- and many other "pluses"

AND they are publicizing the openers?

Mr. New Chairman and New Negotiating Committee -- Nice job. :D

(I apologize for doubting your survey.)



I think Sailing and all the other naysayers, so far, have been proven wrong. :)

If this opener was the final contract I would agree nice job, but the job has just started. What areas are going to be negotiated and how much are they willing to give away? I feel the opener was what we want and to get what we want you have to ask for more. just my two cents in a time when RA sounded like they are going to play hard ball, but who knows the 190s still showed up without a TA!

BobZ 12-23-2015 03:54 AM

FAE? Stands for.....Fools Actually Expect.....


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