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Originally Posted by BATOL
(Post 2046010)
To be fair, hasn't it been a major focus of past negotiations to take back scope from the regionals and get mainline metal doing that flying? That's exactly what the 717's and likely the 190's are doing. How many two class RJ's at United? I see an awful lot of them. I thought those small airplanes where what you wanted? Granted more widebody's is always great, I just mean I'm surprised to hear complaining about getting what you wanted.
...oh wait, never mind, we're pilots 😏 A lot was lost on the bottom end and we want that rectified and a lot is actively being lost and given away on the top end, and we want that to stop and be reversed. I had a A330B in the jumpseat not long ago who, if correct, said that EB had told his crew personally on a flight to LHR that we made 75% of the profit on a VA codeshare and he was going to LHR to persuade them to do more. And the pilot thought that was a good thing, for PS and all... whichI bet they wouldn't mind giving away because its at risk pay but I'm putting words in their mouth. So when I say active, I mean active. Imho, you should own 100% of your flying for brand and quality control. But airlines actively pursue outsourcing as a cost control even if it costs more than it saves. |
Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
(Post 2046227)
Darby got it wrong too! We're still well below our old pay rates!
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 2046233)
Imho, you should own 100% of your flying for brand and quality control. But airlines actively pursue outsourcing as a cost control even if it costs more than it saves. |
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_017.jpg
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_018.jpg http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_019.jpg http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_020.jpg http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_021.jpg The investor day presentation has it all, just listened to it again. More equity investments to come. Virgin is the model. After AeroMexico, GOL is next up. The Jet deal could be the precursor to the next one. With the ME carriers dealing with low oil prices, Etihad might be willing to sell Delta it's 24% or more (it was 24% in 2013) share to shut them up about government intervention. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da..._8k-ex9901.htm |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 2046214)
Very pro-pilot article here... hope the newswires pick it up.
Pilots Demand a Larger Slice of Airline Pie - Bloomberg Business |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 2046948)
Ha Spirit 1st year pay is higher than United and Delta 1st year pay? I call bullsheit on that chart.
Hard to do when Spirit's first year rate is $38/hr (according to APC) vs. $70 for Delta. |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 2046314)
And they will keep doing so. RA has said many times publicly that in lieu of relaxed foreign ownership laws that 'virtual mergers' were the next best thing. In fact, they may even be better. So expect more of the same, and as you said, that means it's up to us to make sure we get our fair share of the production balance.
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