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Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 2044957)
Sounds like a pretty huge point :). I know the difference between the two but didn't know that we'd only mediate. I assume the reason behind this would be overly company-friendly arbitrators would not give us a fair shake?
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
(Post 2045038)
Pretty much....Alaska tried arbitration several years ago with pilot-unfriendly results. Arbitrators are judges without a robe - their decisions are final and are extremely hard to appeal, much less overturn. Mediators are more of a warm milk and Oreos group that want the parties to hug and maybe sing some Kumbaya.
If we end up in binding arbitration and don't like the final result we could always pull a page from USAirways playbook. |
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2044748)
We will be ignored until Jan 22nd. If the United TA extension passes, I think they will accept our proposal.
If United passes the TA and Delta counters with something lower, there will be 12,000 backpacks hitting the floor in one loud THUD. |
Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 2045044)
If we end up in binding arbitration and don't like the final result we could always pull a page from USAirways playbook.
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Originally Posted by Maddogflier
(Post 2044964)
I would prefer the UAL TA does not pass. The entire mediation process is geared to driving the solution to industry average. Overall if you applied the United TA rates to our fleet the rates are lower then our rejected TA. We can talk all day about the 330 rate but if you look at the other rates it's not good!
UAL 767-254 Delta TA1 260 UAL 757-245 Delta TA1 260 UAL 737-235 Delta TA1 250 UAL A320-245 A319-235 Delta TA1 241 These should be sobering numbers. Delta management would jump at these payrates. I would prefer UAL to go back to the table! By the way, their freezes are less onerous than we have now all across the board already. |
:rolleyes:
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 2045183)
Their profit sharing is the same that we have currently. They sold back zero profit sharing to get those rates, so you're not comparing it properly. Not to mention when factoring in profit sharing, they come ahead of our TA.
By the way, their freezes are less onerous than we have now all across the board already. Yeah, there's that. Delta is the world's biggest small airplane Major airline.:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 2045194)
:rolleyes:
AND....how many 777's do they have, and how many E190's? Yeah, there's that. Delta is the world's biggest small airplane Major airline.:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 2045194)
:rolleyes:
AND....how many 777's do they have, and how many E190's? Yeah, there's that. Delta is the world's biggest small airplane Major airline.:rolleyes: What do they have, like over 100 777s and 744s? But, you know what they dont have? Redneck Rockets bought off liquidation. :D |
2015 flight ops goal.
Complete negotiations on a new Pilot Working Agreement prior to the amendable date 2016 flight ops goal. Crickets on the contract or a new movie called "The Big Stall" |
Originally Posted by Maddogflier
(Post 2045276)
2015 flight ops goal.
Complete negotiations on a new Pilot Working Agreement prior to the amendable date 2016 flight ops goal. Crickets on the contract or a new movie called "The Big Stall" What I don't get is why you have it out to sandbag your fellow pilots. Somehow your ilk cannot compute concessions and profit sharing giveaways. I just flew with a guy who kept touting how much he's lost in wages from not accepting TA15. I asked him how much he calculated for the loss in PS and the other concessions and he had no answer. This is exactly why your in the 35 percentile, very bad at math. I think it's time for you to listen to the smart guys in the room instead of blowing your horn. If you can't do that, then just listen. You clearly don't get it. |
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