Delta's RA Considering C-Series Order
03-11-2016 | 05:56 PM
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The 110 seat 717 replaces the 149 seat MD-88 all of the time on a lot of routes. I think on the 717 I counted up a month's worth of flying and only 10 legs out of 50ish were "RJ routes". The rest were routes I flew the MD-88 on.
They have no problem using an airplane too small for demand. They love doing that stuff.
They have no problem using an airplane too small for demand. They love doing that stuff.
73's/321's replacing 757's
190's/717's replacing 88/90-lite routes.
"Payscale Dilution" is what we should start calling it!
But lets talk some more about the company wanting to change our Sick Leave policy.
03-11-2016 | 06:03 PM
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150 seat A319 and 125 seat 717s.
03-11-2016 | 06:38 PM
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He essentially said it or he DID say it? Big difference there. I don't see how the E-190 could replace the 88. 100-110 seats vs 149 and the flights are always full. The domestic market is growing so why would we give up all that lift? I believe the E-190's are to bring more regional flying (like the 717's did) to mainline.
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03-11-2016 | 06:51 PM
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The 110 seat 717 replaces the 149 seat MD-88 all of the time on a lot of routes. I think on the 717 I counted up a month's worth of flying and only 10 legs out of 50ish were "RJ routes". The rest were routes I flew the MD-88 on.
They have no problem using an airplane too small for demand. They love doing that stuff.
They have no problem using an airplane too small for demand. They love doing that stuff.
03-11-2016 | 08:29 PM
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03-12-2016 | 05:59 AM
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I think the 88 goes and flies a route that used to be flown by a 737.
That 737 goes and flies a route that used to be flown by a 757.
That 757 goes and flies a route that used to be flown by a 767.
The 767 is retired.
The 330 that "replaced the 767" goes and flies a route that used to flown by a 747.
The 747 is retired.
We bump a couple pax off for a few bucks but fly fully loaded jets.
We should not be viewing this as a "replacement" for the 88. We should view this (as management I think does) as a cheaper, lower paying aircraft that can move delta pax on routes that network selects for the aircraft based on the need and flexibility of the fleet. Just as in the wide body side they swap between the 767 and 330 on route and in the domestic side they swap between the 320 and 737 and 757 depending on time of year loads (SLC to DCA is a good example)...there are plenty of options to move pax. willing to bet that those options are going to include a lot of E190/ C Series and 321s / 737-900s domestically, and 330s internationally.
And when they do retire the 88s the load they used to carry is just absorbed between the 190/Cs and the 321/737 depending on the route.
Just one opinion....
03-12-2016 | 06:17 AM
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Flexibility, flexibility, flexibility! If you want 295 seats in a market on Monday and 155 on Tuesday, Monday you fly a 737 and a 717 and on Tuesday you fly two CR9s or an E190 and a CRJ or a MD90 or etc. Our revenue management department is the best in the industry at maximizing the dollar extraction from a market.
Smaller airplanes give you more flexibility. This is the new normal, constant adjustment to manage the revenue. That's how you get Q1 profits at record levels when it was historically a loosing quarter. We would accept losses to maintain market share when there was excessive competition by 9 airline networks as opposed to 4 now.
Smaller airplanes give you more flexibility. This is the new normal, constant adjustment to manage the revenue. That's how you get Q1 profits at record levels when it was historically a loosing quarter. We would accept losses to maintain market share when there was excessive competition by 9 airline networks as opposed to 4 now.
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