He may feel free to resign his seniority number at any time.

I believe he is talking total pilot costs not pay. One of the new ATL reps said our costing would put us about 30% above UAL and 40% above AMR assuming static profit sharing. Not sure where he gets 45% unless he is assuming huge growth in the PS.

I think you are greatly simplifying this issue. From 9-11 until BK we were the highest paid because we had the last contract prior to 9-11. Simply a matter of timing. Post BK we were the first of the majors to merge, consequently the first to start clawing our way back to a respectable compensation level. I do give Lee Moak some credit here for thinking out of the box and getting labor on-board from the beginning.

So in my opinion constructive engagement may have helped us somewhat, mainly when it suited and aligned with management goals, but it was not the main or even a primary driver of our compensation advantage over our peers.

So I can agree with "somewhat due to constructive engagement...," but can not agree with "in large part due to constructive engagement."

Scoop

considering what we lost....like the unqualified half of the pension benefit......the claim of best compensated needs further definition.

i dont think im anywhere near $800K tax deferred rollover of b-plan ahead of my apa contemporary.....even with the 50% of the note and claim i took home.

Excellent point - even when we were the best compensated based on hourly rates, to be totally accurate you would have to factor in the pensions of the AMR guys which would obviously raise them up quite a bit.

Scoop

That is a good point. I forgot the APA pilots' pensions were frozen instead of terminated. But it highlights the role of politics in our success. AMR tried to terminate their pensions and the head of the PBGC said, "Not a chance." The American pilots benefitted greatly from timing and good political fortune in that regard, but some legacy NW and CAL pilots also have a frozen A-plans.

So you're telling me that the rest of our contract wants equals to 38% more above United? I must have forgotten some of the really huge items that we asked for since I can't for the life of me think of any that would put us that far ahead.

Southwest, FedEx and UPS might disagree.

Arguably AMR and NWA did better than Delta too. Depending on one's age and seniority.
A pension is worth a lot. Even a frozen one. All comes down to how long you live.

I am not telling you anything. I am telling what the rep stated. The numbers I believe we're from the third year of our contract offer compared to their actual. The numbers don't seem that far off however. Our pay alone will be 16% above UAL if we got 22,7,7. Add in all the other items including 10% more in PS and 30% seems accurate. Go back and read our opener. Lots of great items that were not in the pay rates.

This man is "sick". Stop paying attention to him and he will go away. He and his clown supporters are only in it for themselves, they are the epitome of greed. Because of his selfish and destructive ways (he promotes and sells ways to take away from our families), I can assure you "karma" will visit him. We have over 13000 members on this team; most of us are onboard and are willing to see this through!

TEN