Delta Captain Upgrade
03-17-2016 | 04:40 PM
#31
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2009
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From: 737 Left
Yes, I realize that. But, let me ask a question.
What's the length of time before you can hold a line at DAL in the 737? How many hours can you expect to fly in a year and five months?
Hours prior to being hired aside, because they can vary greatly, how many hours will a pilot at DAL accrue in the first year and five months of being on property?
Isn't the normal track: narrow body FO, wide body FO, narrow body CA, wide body CA? Of course there's going to be movement, and there will possibly be individuals who have never flown a type becoming a CA in that type, but they've usually been on property flying for a number of years, accumulating quite a few hours in the process.
The possibility here is you could have an FO hired into the 757/767 for the first year and a half at DAL, an FO who probably isn't holding a line during that time (admittedly, I'm not at DAL so if you're a line holder within a couple of months on the 757/767 obviously this doesn't apply), and they can hold CA on a MD-88, a type they've probably not flown before their OE except in the simulator. That new MD-88 captain may have xx hours (going off the forums here, again an extremely dodgy proposition, but a year and a half in the 757 as a newhire, maybe 250 hours of seat time?) on property and no one sees a safety issue with this?
There hasn't even been a mention of being paired with a newhire FO, let's say he has 250-300 hours in the MD-88, more than that new CA, no one sees a safety issue here?
I'll acquiesce the point here, good for him/her/them. I really hope nothing ever goes wrong.
What's the length of time before you can hold a line at DAL in the 737? How many hours can you expect to fly in a year and five months?
Hours prior to being hired aside, because they can vary greatly, how many hours will a pilot at DAL accrue in the first year and five months of being on property?
Isn't the normal track: narrow body FO, wide body FO, narrow body CA, wide body CA? Of course there's going to be movement, and there will possibly be individuals who have never flown a type becoming a CA in that type, but they've usually been on property flying for a number of years, accumulating quite a few hours in the process.
The possibility here is you could have an FO hired into the 757/767 for the first year and a half at DAL, an FO who probably isn't holding a line during that time (admittedly, I'm not at DAL so if you're a line holder within a couple of months on the 757/767 obviously this doesn't apply), and they can hold CA on a MD-88, a type they've probably not flown before their OE except in the simulator. That new MD-88 captain may have xx hours (going off the forums here, again an extremely dodgy proposition, but a year and a half in the 757 as a newhire, maybe 250 hours of seat time?) on property and no one sees a safety issue with this?
There hasn't even been a mention of being paired with a newhire FO, let's say he has 250-300 hours in the MD-88, more than that new CA, no one sees a safety issue here?
I'll acquiesce the point here, good for him/her/them. I really hope nothing ever goes wrong.
03-17-2016 | 04:46 PM
#32
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
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From: Seated
Every other airline upgrades pilots into airframes they have not flown.
It is NOT an issue. The current safety record has made that clear.
Last edited by PotatoChip; 03-17-2016 at 04:46 PM. Reason: Typo
03-17-2016 | 04:51 PM
#33
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
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From: Seated
Yes, I realize that. But, let me ask a question.
What's the length of time before you can hold a line at DAL in the 737? How many hours can you expect to fly in a year and five months? i have no idea and it's irrelevant.
Hours prior to being hired aside, because they can vary greatly, how many hours will a pilot at DAL accrue in the first year and five months of being on property? i have no idea. Also irrelevant.
Isn't the normal track: narrow body FO, wide body FO, narrow body CA, wide body CA? No. It's not. There is no normal track. Everyone has different reasons for bidding things.
The possibility here is you could have an FO hired into the 757/767 for the first year and a half at DAL, an FO who probably isn't holding a line during that time (admittedly, I'm not at DAL so if you're a line holder within a couple of months on the 757/767 obviously this doesn't apply), and they can hold CA on a MD-88, a type they've probably not flown before their OE except in the simulator. That new MD-88 captain may have xx hours (going off the forums here, again an extremely dodgy proposition, but a year and a half in the 757 as a newhire, maybe 250 hours of seat time?) on property and no one sees a safety issue with this? Nope. I don't.
There hasn't even been a mention of being paired with a newhire FO, let's say he has 250-300 hours in the MD-88, more than that new CA, no one sees a safety issue here? It's not ideal, but this literally happens every single day in part 121 flying.
I'll acquiesce the point here, good for him/her/them. I really hope nothing ever goes wrong.
What's the length of time before you can hold a line at DAL in the 737? How many hours can you expect to fly in a year and five months? i have no idea and it's irrelevant.
Hours prior to being hired aside, because they can vary greatly, how many hours will a pilot at DAL accrue in the first year and five months of being on property? i have no idea. Also irrelevant.
Isn't the normal track: narrow body FO, wide body FO, narrow body CA, wide body CA? No. It's not. There is no normal track. Everyone has different reasons for bidding things.
The possibility here is you could have an FO hired into the 757/767 for the first year and a half at DAL, an FO who probably isn't holding a line during that time (admittedly, I'm not at DAL so if you're a line holder within a couple of months on the 757/767 obviously this doesn't apply), and they can hold CA on a MD-88, a type they've probably not flown before their OE except in the simulator. That new MD-88 captain may have xx hours (going off the forums here, again an extremely dodgy proposition, but a year and a half in the 757 as a newhire, maybe 250 hours of seat time?) on property and no one sees a safety issue with this? Nope. I don't.
There hasn't even been a mention of being paired with a newhire FO, let's say he has 250-300 hours in the MD-88, more than that new CA, no one sees a safety issue here? It's not ideal, but this literally happens every single day in part 121 flying.
I'll acquiesce the point here, good for him/her/them. I really hope nothing ever goes wrong.
03-17-2016 | 05:06 PM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2010
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What about a 15 yr 330 fo that upgrades to the 80? That happens at every airline with multiple types. Anyone at dal has plenty of time and probably pic time. How is this different than that 15 yr 330 fo moving to the left seat on the 80?
03-17-2016 | 05:17 PM
#36
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
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From: Light Chop
"Sorry dude..."
03-17-2016 | 05:20 PM
#37
Banned
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,378
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From: 7th green
As an ex-MD-80 Captain and LCKA, I can confirm the MD is different from most of today's 3rd generation MCP/FMS/autopilot/autothrottle airplanes. That said, even though its "old" technology there is no reason why a junior DAL pilot could not go through the DAL training program, get signed off and successfully complete the DAL IOE program. Those training programs are FAA approved and certified.
As I said before, the candidate in question probably has a ton of Civilian 121 or military flight time and training or he/she wouldn't be a DAL pilot in the first place. Sorry, Lobeaux, but I think you're off base on this one.
As I said before, the candidate in question probably has a ton of Civilian 121 or military flight time and training or he/she wouldn't be a DAL pilot in the first place. Sorry, Lobeaux, but I think you're off base on this one.
03-17-2016 | 05:29 PM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 421
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From: A terminal bum
For the record all 4 were flying in NYC on the 88 already and are probably well aware of what they were signing up for. It's the 88 for crying out loud it's not that hard. 
Children of the magenta freaking out lol
Children of the magenta freaking out lol
03-17-2016 | 05:32 PM
#40
On Reserve
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 50
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Yes, I realize that. But, let me ask a question.
What's the length of time before you can hold a line at DAL in the 737? How many hours can you expect to fly in a year and five months?
Hours prior to being hired aside, because they can vary greatly, how many hours will a pilot at DAL accrue in the first year and five months of being on property?
Isn't the normal track: narrow body FO, wide body FO, narrow body CA, wide body CA? Of course there's going to be movement, and there will possibly be individuals who have never flown a type becoming a CA in that type, but they've usually been on property flying for a number of years, accumulating quite a few hours in the process.
The possibility here is you could have an FO hired into the 757/767 for the first year and a half at DAL, an FO who probably isn't holding a line during that time (admittedly, I'm not at DAL so if you're a line holder within a couple of months on the 757/767 obviously this doesn't apply), and they can hold CA on a MD-88, a type they've probably not flown before their OE except in the simulator. That new MD-88 captain may have xx hours (going off the forums here, again an extremely dodgy proposition, but a year and a half in the 757 as a newhire, maybe 250 hours of seat time?) on property and no one sees a safety issue with this?
There hasn't even been a mention of being paired with a newhire FO, let's say he has 250-300 hours in the MD-88, more than that new CA, no one sees a safety issue here?
I'll acquiesce the point here, good for him/her/them. I really hope nothing ever goes wrong.
What's the length of time before you can hold a line at DAL in the 737? How many hours can you expect to fly in a year and five months?
Hours prior to being hired aside, because they can vary greatly, how many hours will a pilot at DAL accrue in the first year and five months of being on property?
Isn't the normal track: narrow body FO, wide body FO, narrow body CA, wide body CA? Of course there's going to be movement, and there will possibly be individuals who have never flown a type becoming a CA in that type, but they've usually been on property flying for a number of years, accumulating quite a few hours in the process.
The possibility here is you could have an FO hired into the 757/767 for the first year and a half at DAL, an FO who probably isn't holding a line during that time (admittedly, I'm not at DAL so if you're a line holder within a couple of months on the 757/767 obviously this doesn't apply), and they can hold CA on a MD-88, a type they've probably not flown before their OE except in the simulator. That new MD-88 captain may have xx hours (going off the forums here, again an extremely dodgy proposition, but a year and a half in the 757 as a newhire, maybe 250 hours of seat time?) on property and no one sees a safety issue with this?
There hasn't even been a mention of being paired with a newhire FO, let's say he has 250-300 hours in the MD-88, more than that new CA, no one sees a safety issue here?
I'll acquiesce the point here, good for him/her/them. I really hope nothing ever goes wrong.
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