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Old 05-07-2008, 12:28 PM   #1  
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In my haste to make a positive post, I guess I offended some people for that I am sorry, I just want all groups to be treated as equals.

As an NWA newbie and more so a MSP native, I am fully aware of the difficult times this pilot group has gone through. However, I believe that now more then ever it is important to be a unified group of NWA pilots. As I was changing in the bag room in DTW, I saw all the writing on the wall; literaly. Peeing and moaning about Red book or Green book will do nothing other then split up our group even more. As we already know our Alpa "brothers" at Delta shown that they are willing to allow new DAL management to divide and conquer. What ever happend to power in numbers? If either pilot group wants to get what we deserve, we must stay as a group. The "union" isn't going to help us on this one. So, I ask my peers at NWA to let go of the past and start acting like the professionals that we are and unite. I ask my Delta "brothers" to quit being so foolish and not let management divide and conquer. In the long run it is not worth it. We as DAL and NWA need to unite and flex our muscles as a pilot group and not sell the other out. Think of this Dick Anderson to DAL pilots--"Why should you guys get growth and more routes when the NWA pilots will do it for less?" If we don't unite this will happen. I don't have the magic key to SLI, I do know that we have more power together then apart. I just want the best life for everyone involved. INAV8or

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as an MSP native and junior DAL guy...hopefully we can come together to close this deal fairly (and lucratively) for all of us...so I can get back up to the great white north! (and so an NWA guy can get further south if he so desires). QOL is king...let's make it work for all of us.

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Interesting. Your post was apparently too mean.

Mine wasn't mean. Why'd it get deleted?
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I need something explained please.
DAL and NWA could not agree on a unified or joint contract and DAL cut a deal with management on there own.
NWA feels this is selling out but can't they do the same and cut there own deal? They are currently under seperate contracts.
Or did someone loose position at the bargining table?
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That is the whole point of the post. Finally APLA, well 2 large MEC's, have a chance to set the bar if they work together. Now that DALPA has paved their own path vs having the airline in the hands of the worker. This is what I am most afraid of DALPA doing whats best for themselves vs the whole pilot group.
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I need something explained please.
DAL and NWA could not agree on a unified or joint contract and DAL cut a deal with management on there own.
NWA feels this is selling out but can't they do the same and cut there own deal? They are currently under seperate contracts.
Or did someone loose position at the bargining table?
a joint contract was agreed upon just not the seniority list.

scope needed to be relaxed on deltas side. (to allow nwa's international flying) that was the leverage for LOA19. if nwa was the surviving carrier then they would have held the leverage not delta. this is how it has been explained on here.
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I need something explained please.
DAL and NWA could not agree on a unified or joint contract and DAL cut a deal with management on there own.
NWA feels this is selling out but can't they do the same and cut there own deal? They are currently under seperate contracts.
Or did someone loose position at the bargining table?
Management has no reason to talk to us now. They will not be the surviving management team. They are totally focused on merging the airline, and making sure their golden parachute check gets deposited. We have absolutely no bargaining power - we have nothing they want.

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Management has no reason to talk to us now. They will not be the surviving management team. They are totally focused on merging the airline, and making sure their golden parachute check gets deposited. We have absolutely no bargaining power - we have nothing they want.

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True. The way I understand it, we said, "Let's negotiate" and they said, "uhh...no". Unfortunately, we only have one source of negotiating power left, and that's Uncle BOB and Aunt FaMLA. I imagine they will show up soon, and DALPA will have nobody to blame but themselves.
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True. The way I understand it, we said, "Let's negotiate" and they said, "uhh...no". Unfortunately, we only have one source of negotiating power left, and that's Uncle BOB and Aunt FaMLA. I imagine they will show up soon, and DALPA will have nobody to blame but themselves.

Please enlighten me as to who those "people" are, and if they are party to an attempt at destroying OUR airline, I will blame YOU.
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True. The way I understand it, we said, "Let's negotiate" and they said, "uhh...no". Unfortunately, we only have one source of negotiating power left, and that's Uncle BOB and Aunt FaMLA. I imagine they will show up soon, and DALPA will have nobody to blame but themselves.
Uncle BOB and Aunt FiMLA need to stay away.... With fuel costs increasing daily we all need to do our part! Having a healthy airline in this economy is going to be tough and burning through fuel ($$$$) and canceling flights is not in our best interest.

As for negotiations we need to sitting down with DALPA (which we are next week) and DAL management. We really have nothing to negotiate with our current NWA management.
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