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Old 04-06-2016 | 09:28 AM
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I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.
In my opinion, having the company and the chief pilot questioning you is intimidation.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
In my opinion, having the company and the chief pilot questioning you is intimidation.


And what, exactly, are you afraid of?
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Old 04-06-2016 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
"4F1" is the contractual section that the company applied to your rotation to determine your pay (4= the Min Pay and Credit Guarantee section, F = Rotation Guarantee. You were actually under 4.F.1.b.2), with the "R" being a code for the reroute.
I had a 4F1R once and couldn't find what the R meant. I found it in my PAS statement for the month and the R meant the rotation was removed for company connivence or some such wording, not reroute.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 03:34 PM
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And what, exactly, are you afraid of?
Just so you know, I don't feed trolls.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 04:43 PM
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Can I just cite the research that advised against the extension? Here's my statement:

Legal or not researchers advised against providing an extension option because of the proven degradation of performance beyond 12 hours. I am acting in the interest of safety. The ability to self evaluate also degrades beyond 12 hours.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 06:16 PM
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Food for thought (not just trolls)

In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue.

Direct quote from the FAA.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Moondog
I had a 4F1R once and couldn't find what the R meant. I found it in my PAS statement for the month and the R meant the rotation was removed for company connivence or some such wording, not reroute.
Yup...that was probably the case. But MikeF16 had added legs, not a removal so it just indicated the reroute to his rotation.

Cheers....
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Old 04-07-2016 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Food for thought (not just trolls)

In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue.

Direct quote from the FAA.
It's the same as letting the guy drinking decide if he's drunk too much to drive.

We're being asked to decide right now how we think we would feel 10 hours from now (I'm referring to international). Just happened to me last week. Add on top of that 117 telling me I'm acclimated to a time zone 9 zones from reality just because I had a 30 hour layover.

And the implied threat of docking your pay during the inquisition concerning the refusal of an extension is intimidation, whether it affects your decision or not. The intent is to intimidate you.

We should have to request the extension, rather than have to jump through all the hoops to refuse it.
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Old 04-07-2016 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Prepare for this to become more and more common as the shortage crunch continues.
shortage crunch? I can point you to at least 3800 guys who would be in class tomorrow who already fly delta passengers (DL Connect). But apparently aren't "Delta Material"
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Old 04-07-2016 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Yup...that was probably the case. But MikeF16 had added legs, not a removal so it just indicated the reroute to his rotation.

Cheers....
Well they need to make all this easier for normal people to figure out!! Thanks for the correction, it all gives me a headache.
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