China Eastern U.S. Expansion
06-28-2016, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
The US carriers will feel it, because some of those China Eastern pilots will be US pilots taken out of the pipeline....it will make it harder for the US carriers to have enough pilots.
06-28-2016, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
This will remove dues paying members from ALPAs umbrella ultimately bankrupting ALPA. It will also demonstrate the value of a pilot because the Chinese carriers will be paying $350k for A319 pilots and $700k for 777 pilots. But, since Delta wont be flying widebodies, the higher scale wont matter. President Clinton, because China has thoroughly hacked her and bankrolled her, granted China full open sky rights to the US.
06-28-2016, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I could definitely see a time when the pay/benefits package at some Asian carriers becomes too lucrative to ignore. Work 5 years and retire. It may suck while you're there, but does it beat flying 99 hours a month for DL until 65 or 67? You bet it does. While US carriers bicker over nickels and dimes the China Easterns of the world recognize the importance of experience and expertise, and pay accordingly.
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06-28-2016, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
This will remove dues paying members from ALPAs umbrella ultimately bankrupting ALPA. It will also demonstrate the value of a pilot because the Chinese carriers will be paying $350k for A319 pilots and $700k for 777 pilots. But, since Delta wont be flying widebodies, the higher scale wont matter. President Clinton, because China has thoroughly hacked her and bankrolled her, granted China full open sky rights to the US.
06-28-2016, 05:55 AM
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[QUOTE=WhatNow;2152053]Don't tell Delta management you think they pay accordingly. You will kill us in contract negotiations!
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Pi...%20-%20Avionco[/QUOTE
Ha. Low ball offer. No wonder they can't fill the positions. Even offering seasonal contracts. Things are about to get desperate in the pilot staffing business. With all the new heavies they have coming, they will need to compete for an ever dwindling supply of experienced pilots. That's going to drive these gigs into the stratosphere as airlines scramble to avoid cancelling service and the resulting loss of revenue. Give it a year or three and take another look at what's available.
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Pi...%20-%20Avionco[/QUOTE
Ha. Low ball offer. No wonder they can't fill the positions. Even offering seasonal contracts. Things are about to get desperate in the pilot staffing business. With all the new heavies they have coming, they will need to compete for an ever dwindling supply of experienced pilots. That's going to drive these gigs into the stratosphere as airlines scramble to avoid cancelling service and the resulting loss of revenue. Give it a year or three and take another look at what's available.
06-28-2016, 07:55 AM
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[QUOTE=flyallnite;2152074]
Hmm, we are retiring 747s and slowing the A350 "replacements." China Eastern is planning to expand wildly. Sounds like back in the day when we expanded AF/KAL alliance and DL immediately tried to cancel/defer our pathetic handful of 777 orders... as AF/KAL ordered A380, and huge fleets of 777 and 777-300. Is that about right? I'm really not seeing any plan by Delta to grow its Intl Fleet except thru a JV partner. I also think UAL and AMR are committing to China big time and plan to kick our arse in that arena. JMO, OFG
Originally Posted by WhatNow
Don't tell Delta management you think they pay accordingly. You will kill us in contract negotiations!
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Pi...%20-%20Avionco[/QUOTE
Ha. Low ball offer. No wonder they can't fill the positions. Even offering seasonal contracts. Things are about to get desperate in the pilot staffing business. With all the new heavies they have coming, they will need to compete for an ever dwindling supply of experienced pilots. That's going to drive these gigs into the stratosphere as airlines scramble to avoid cancelling service and the resulting loss of revenue. Give it a year or three and take another look at what's available.
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Pi...%20-%20Avionco[/QUOTE
Ha. Low ball offer. No wonder they can't fill the positions. Even offering seasonal contracts. Things are about to get desperate in the pilot staffing business. With all the new heavies they have coming, they will need to compete for an ever dwindling supply of experienced pilots. That's going to drive these gigs into the stratosphere as airlines scramble to avoid cancelling service and the resulting loss of revenue. Give it a year or three and take another look at what's available.
06-28-2016, 09:13 AM
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[QUOTE=OldFlyGuy;2152160]
Hmm, we are retiring 747s and slowing the A350 "replacements." China Eastern is planning to expand wildly. Sounds like back in the day when we expanded AF/KAL alliance and DL immediately tried to cancel/defer our pathetic handful of 777 orders... as AF/KAL ordered A380, and huge fleets of 777 and 777-300. Is that about right? I'm really not seeing any plan by Delta to grow its Intl Fleet except thru a JV partner. I also think UAL and AMR are committing to China big time and plan to kick our arse in that arena. JMO, OFG
As far as I know, we just fly to PVG and PEK. American and United both fly to several other 20,000,000 person cities there. What you are saying is clearly true. China Eastern's US expansion is Delta widebody jobs.
Originally Posted by flyallnite
Hmm, we are retiring 747s and slowing the A350 "replacements." China Eastern is planning to expand wildly. Sounds like back in the day when we expanded AF/KAL alliance and DL immediately tried to cancel/defer our pathetic handful of 777 orders... as AF/KAL ordered A380, and huge fleets of 777 and 777-300. Is that about right? I'm really not seeing any plan by Delta to grow its Intl Fleet except thru a JV partner. I also think UAL and AMR are committing to China big time and plan to kick our arse in that arena. JMO, OFG
06-28-2016, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
China Eastern will receive 11 777s, 7 330s this year. They recently ordered 20 A350-900s and 15 787s. According to Bloomberg News.
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