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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2137886)
So you two could fly another airplane that does things more to your liking and Gunfighter could be more senior on the 777. And you still make the same money. Yeah, that would suck.
im flying another piece of equipment, that is better suited to my needs and priorities, am more senior, and make more money. and all without betting some management puke not even here yet is going to make good on my pay raise years out. |
Well I guess then that we have found the perfect system. So we have nothing to improve on. Cool.
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I'm not sure there is a perfect system. Changing the pay structure now seems like it could be filled with unforeseen consequences. I am in favor of little to no language changes because of the opportunity to exploit change. A numbers only contract would retain meaning in the sections already well established.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2137813)
If we were hiring 100 guys/year I would agree with you. We're not. We are hiring 1000 (and maybe more). A few additional 76 seaters to the regionals won't even be noticed here. At all. They ARE a throwaway item because that is a failed model.
I really hope you are in the minority with this kind of absurd thinking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2138043)
I really hope you are in the minority with this kind of absurd thinking.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And increase in 76 seaters can be leveraged for positive gains as long as DCI overall keeps shrinking. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2137885)
"Peak rate" is not relevant to anything. Consistant pay increases year after year will become the norm rather than going thru the stagnant period we are now going thru every contract time. The only thing that would have to really be negotiated would be the base rate. If you prefer to look at it this way, if you are hired as a Captain on day 1, you get X. For the next 42 years of your life you will receive a rate increase of X%. Just for having a pulse and not getting fired. I think it should be steeper towards the beginning because the FO rate would still be based on the CA rate, and "flatten" out as you got more "senior". TVM and all that. I did a study on it once and the amount of money you would have at the end of your career would be eye watering. And that is without any modest investment.
All the other parties (company/Wall Street/Share holders) care about is how much it costs to move the metal, and how that cost compares to other airlines. Paying a 42 year longevity captain significantly more than a 20 year longevity captain (from a competitive carrier) is just bad business. It also hurts anyone with less than 42 years of service. The best thing for the pilot group is to have a ONE year pay scale. Get all the jack now. The co-pilots make a % of captain pay. They max out on day one. Most captains are at the top end already, so it doesn't change their situation. IMO, what needs to change is the fixation on the big metal pay. We don't have very much big metal. Like it or not, we fly for a very profitable company that has a bunch of jets; they just don't have a bunch of really big jets. We can wish we had more big jets, and push harder on the JV/code agreements, but most guys will spend the bulk of their time at Delta on smaller equipment. It wasn't all that long ago when many forum followers looked at SW with envy... |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2138054)
Many thought the increase in 76 seaters from C2012 was a huge loss of scope. Fast forward to today and Delta has 13,000+ pilots and upgrade time faster than most regionals.
And increase in 76 seaters can be leveraged for positive gains as long as DCI overall keeps shrinking. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Back to your old self I see Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2138076)
Back to your old self I see
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk A small increase in 76 seaters when DCI overall is shrinking and SNB aircraft at mainline rapidly increasing is another. |
Bring on seniority base pay. I'm all for it. Won't matter where you sit on a list and whether you will ever make 777a. Eventually you will be payed that based on yrs of service. And the great news is when the downturn comes and you fall one or two catagories down you don't get a pay cut or when they get rid of 767/757's and you fall back to the 737 your paid stays the same. Some say with this it would be a night mare in training for guys trying to pick the plane they want to fly, but on the contrary it will take yrs for positions to open up to slide where you want. Jus like now with AE's. But, in the meantime you still get paid more than your making now for most, because of how long you have been at delta.
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Concessions Are Coming
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2138079)
Horrible sick leave, OE drop language and Profit Sharing concessions is one thing.
A small increase in 76 seaters when DCI overall is shrinking and SNB aircraft at mainline rapidly increasing is another. Those horrible things ......yet you still voted yes for them..... Zero scope concessions. Scope is everything. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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