Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2137369)

I'm against pay banding. It's concessionary, the company doesn't want it, and I don't want negotiating capital spent to get it.

Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2137369)

I'm against pay banding. It's concessionary, the company doesn't want it, and I don't want negotiating capital spent to get it.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2137496)

The curent method of compensation is concessionary.

Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2137400)

fundamentally, and permanently altering the compensation template is going to reorder and probably alter the seat bidding strategy for a large number of pilots.

understand pay banding is simply the first step in managements ultimate move to decouple pay and productivity. If I remember nothing else from reading Flying the Line....its that.....and what a mortal error it would be as pilots to allow this to happen.

management does in fact want banding, because it is the likely portal leading ultimately to some form of a 'simplified' A/B pay rate with a longevity increment that completely uncouples the pay rate from productivity.

once that is accomplished.....its a matter of then negotiating down the step of each increment, and at what point the peak increment is achieved.

its a lot less challenging for management to negotiate a SUBJECTIVELY VALUED single pay template for the entire group....than relative pay rates based on technical formulas for half a dozen or more aircraft types.

inevitably, and at a minimum.....this single pay template and subjective value model will sacrifice equity at the margins to satisfy some agreeable median.

You are in effect then a salary employee. And measurable productivity is no longer a factor in your compensation.

There are plenty of solutions to the impending generational turnover.

It would be our supreme failure to entertain one that is permanent AND concessionary to what is now in place. If we are going to do anything at all, it should be to engage in temporary solutions for the problem at hand, that may cost MORE....but LESS than what it will cost if we were to do nothing.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2137496)

The curent method of compensation is concessionary.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2137520)

Ok T take us down the trail of Nirvana. Splain your master plan. At least actually explain it this time.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2137519)

Pay banding decouples us from pay for productivity causing many career destructive possibilities in the future.

Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2137511)

Pay banding won't solve that. A rising tide for all Delta pilots just might. My message for my union is simple. Get the most for the most. These are the best of times, as the Master Chairman has said, there is no reason why we can't get a deal this summer.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2137337)

Almost a year since the TA was rejected and what is happening?

The 717 in NYC and ATL can not cover the flight schedule. Almost every trip is covered with a GS or GSWC. 737s starting to pick up 717 flying.

Could this be the beginning of the very rapidly increasing training churn? Will it spread to the 88s other NB B positions shortly? What about when heavy guys start retiring in very large numbers from the A side of the house?

The company thought we would be almost 1 year into C2015 by now - hard to say how much more efficient the company would have been under C2015 but either way I bet the company did not plan on being where we are now.

It will not be easy but we do have leverage.


Scoop