What exactly are you doing that's thinking of the industry in a fresh way?

Not sure what you are asking. What I am doing is evaluating the industry in a different way. It is not a boom/bust industry anymore. Well DAL anyway. When was the last time any airline had balance sheets like we have now? You have an example of the advantages right in front of you. Who has this board held up as the gold standard for years and years and years? How has that group gotten to where they are? Now, since DAL is printing money everyone wants to throw their method out the window and swing for the fences yet again. Boom/bust mentality all over. Let's do the same thing and get a different result. Works every time. Couldn't possibly be a different way to achieve our desired results. Nope.

The commentary was my opinion. You are advocating for us to give concessions in scope and pay structure. It was not a personal attack but my observation. I would also point out that the only reason I post to the board is to advocate for a much better contract. That is a political agenda. The fact that you advocate for concessions to "get a deal done" is political.

As for your arguments. I disagree, changing the pay structure radically by going to a pure longevity system with 42 years is fraught with unknowns and risk as previously stayed by others. I also disagree with your rosy prediction of captains and the insinuation that that's a panacea.

Further, I strongly disagree with any 76 seat scope gives. If the regional industry is in a death spiral why wouldn't you hasten that? All those profitable jets need to be flown right, or management wouldn't want them. Bring the flying back to mainline and restore dignity to the career. Once all the flying is done by Delta pilots the new hire RJ guys will already have a career and support our objectives. If these jets aren't profitable at mainline then there would be no need to operate them. Having flown 50 seat jets at a regional, I am no less embarrassed to have only 76 passengers to sit behind me than I was to only have 142 on the MD88. Just as an ER pilots isn't embarrassed to not be operating the 777.

All of these jobs are piloting jobs for Delta airlines, the only difference is that we exclude some for what others have told us is to our benefit. That's just wrong. When the DC-8 came along were the Convair 440s no longer worthy of the time and effort of Delta pilots? No, they were operated from 1959 when the DC-8 came to Delta until 1970. As they were replaced everyone moved to the latest and greatest.

Remember this was a mainline airplane.

https://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits...Hiller-FH-227B

And this.

https://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits...er/Convair-340

This should be too.

Embraer 175 - Compass : Delta Air Lines

One airline sooner rather than later. No to life support.


OVER

Where have I advocated for concessions to get a deal done? What I am saying is that if you do not think the company is going to get something, you are delusional. It will not be all one way. Call that defeatist if you will, but we are under a concessionary contract right now and we will remain so until we get a new one. Each day gets us further behind restoration and makes it harder to achieve. Sorry, time/value of money exists.

PRASM for DAL fell 5% in May. tifwiw

you must work at a different airline. if a pilot wants 'more' money they have to go to the 777?

says who?

first 'more money' isn't the singular thing the job is all about for most of us....that being said....the level of earnings for a lot of non-777A pilots would probably shock you if you are under the impression the only place to do that is on the 777.

If it is only about the money we are speaking, at delta its done by (in no particular order)...being in a category standing up or going away, IOW one with 'churn'...(the thing you want to 'fix'), living in domicile, being senior, being available, and a little bit of luck.**

**You may experience different results at home.

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scope is a throw away item, your words

As for TVM, blah blah blah

We know where we stand, and have made a choice.

Also your words

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ml#post2135649

I will TIFWIW, there should be some information upcoming about how management views the falling PRASM of the last year and how they still managed to turn a record profit.

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hard to figure how on one hand an individual can advocate for what is essentially a deferred and annuitized pay model, while having real issues with returning to a deferred and annuitized retirement model?

[QUOTE=JamesBond;2138722]Not sure what you are asking. What I am doing is evaluating the industry in a different way. It is not a boom/bust industry anymore. Well DAL anyway.

Right now we are booming. Just a short 10 years ago we were bust and we took 40% pay cuts. I still call that a boom/bust industry and we all know the next downturn could be on the horizon. The company had no problem slashing our pay/benefits/work rules in a bust cycle. No better time to get it back