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good point, umm but to be correct, it wasn't the 'company' that did the slashing.....it was self imposed by this group on ourselves.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
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scope is a throw away item, your words As for TVM, blah blah blah We know where we stand, and have made a choice. Also your words http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...ml#post2135649 |
Originally Posted by BobZ
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hard to figure how on one hand an individual can advocate for what is essentially a deferred and annuitized pay model, while having real issues with returning to a deferred and annuitized retirement model?
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you are shackled with the 'what can we give away mode' as the methodology to gaining improvements in the PWA.
I do not believe most of this pilot group is buying into that mentality any longer. The re-opener is likely viewed by a large swath of this group as reasonable and 'adequate'......and I didn't detect any such giveaways from the existing terms in that document. if anything materially less than the re-opener is tabled for vote.....it is not likely to be approved. |
Originally Posted by BobZ
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good point, umm but to be correct, it wasn't the 'company' that did the slashing.....it was self imposed by this group on ourselves.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2138782)
I did not say 'scope' was a throwaway item. I said 76 seaters are. But perhaps that was a bad choice of words. It is trade bait. Better? No, probably not. But I have met a lot of guys that don't care about them as passionately as many on here. Some couldn't care less.
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Q-man.....you have completed the hat trick of reality points with those last two..:D
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2138722)
Not sure what you are asking. What I am doing is evaluating the industry in a different way. It is not a boom/bust industry anymore. Well DAL anyway. When was the last time any airline had balance sheets like we have now? You have an example of the advantages right in front of you. Who has this board held up as the gold standard for years and years and years? How has that group gotten to where they are? Now, since DAL is printing money everyone wants to throw their method out the window and swing for the fences yet again. Boom/bust mentality all over. Let's do the same thing and get a different result. Works every time. Couldn't possibly be a different way to achieve our desired results. Nope.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2138700)
And what's sad is that you can't see how the industry has changed. This isn't your father's airline industry anymore. Investment grade ratings and sustainable profits with good industrial margins. But let's keep thinking of it in the same old way and we will continue to wonder why we just lost both rooks. We can do better than restoration if we just open our eyes.
We will know its revolutionary when Scotty can beam you from Atl to Pvg. All we have thats different is merged airlines exercising capacity discipline to control ticket prices vs seats. They are profitable, wildly, because they choose to be. Do you know what scares the crap out of a GM engineer? Tesla. The regional model is far from dead. Its just getting squeezed. Just as GMs model is far from dead. |
Originally Posted by Cogf16
(Post 2138590)
Preposterous, and would never happen. Put a 73 captain ahead of all our WB captains???? Not a chance in the world. His career expectation is 737 captain. He would undoubtedly be slotted after several of our 73 captains. Flamebait right?
If a 737 captain makes the same as a 747 captain, what basis would there be to separate them in a merged seniority list? It's an argument they would make and one that would be seriously considered by an arbitrator. |
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