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tunes 05-29-2016 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136824)
What are we giving away exactly?

you said you are okay with giving away more RJ scope...that is a horrible idea and the fact that you don't see why is scary.

BobZ 05-29-2016 07:48 AM

Anyone think profit sharing was once upon time viewed as a 'throwaway item'?

JamesBond 05-29-2016 07:49 AM

Everybody has an opinion.

qball 05-29-2016 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2136829)
Anyone think profit sharing was once upon time viewed as a 'throwaway item'?

It sure was to the company when they thought they'd never have to pay out on it.

JamesBond 05-29-2016 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2136827)
you said you are okay with giving away more RJ scope...that is a horrible idea and the fact that you don't see why is scary.

We have 14 month mainline captains and you want to waste money on RJ scope. Color me scary then.

Edit: And I never said anbything about 'giving it away'.

Mesabah 05-29-2016 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 2136804)
I think the point you're missing is this: If you relax scope on 76 seat RJs, they'll park the 50 seaters and they can use two 76 seat crews to get the same production as three 50 seat crews. Thus fewer RJ pilots will be needed. Then they'll use those 76 seaters to replace A319's, A320's, 71's and 73's.

Two 76 seat RJ's have roughly the same capacity, (but more frequencies and a LOT more high-yielding first class seats) as a single 717 or 319. Three 76 seat RJ's will replace 737's, MD-80's and 320's and Delta will gain 3 times the frequency plus 24 additional first class seats.

Yes the DCI model (as it currently exists) IS failed. But that doesn't mean that they can't tweak it a bit and make it work again, IF YOU LET THEM.... at the cost of mainline jobs. They'll take as much as you'll let them have.

I agree, the 76 seat jets are going where the 50 seat jets used to go, and the 76 seat jets routes are being replaced by mainline. There will always be regional jets going into some of these small cities. There are at least 500-1000 pilots at every regional that won't go/get to mainline for whatever reason. You run the very real risk of having these pilots run to flag of convenience if you shut them down, same as Comair pilots running to alter ego Go Jet.

trustbutverify 05-29-2016 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136836)
We have 14 month mainline captains and you want to waste money on RJ scope. Color me scary then.

Edit: And I never said anbything about 'giving it away'.

Do you not see that we have those very 14 month captains because we didn't capitulate further on RJ scope?

notEnuf 05-29-2016 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136836)
We have 14 month mainline captains and you want to waste money on RJ scope. Color me scary then.

Edit: And I never said anbything about 'giving it away'.

No change is cost neutral. Maintaining current SCOPE is neither a concession or a gain. Moving on.

ShyGuy 05-29-2016 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2136718)
To you, that doesn't seem like a concession, but you need to look further down the road than the increased credit for vacation.

Wait until we merge with Alaska and our number two B-777/B-747 captain gets merged in right behind their number one B-737/A320 captain and their #1 pilot becomes #2 on our entire seniority list.

Now that Alaska is merging with Virgin, is there an actual rumor that Delta is going to merge with Alaska? One would think the big three DL/UA/AA are now too big to merge with anyone else.

notEnuf 05-29-2016 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2136861)
Now that Alaska is merging with Virgin, is there an actual rumor that Delta is going to merge with Alaska? One would think the big three DL/UA/AA are now too big to merge with anyone else.

The next downturn could create synergy opportunities for struggling carriers.


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