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Ron Jeremy 05-29-2016 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136741)
We can agree to disagree. I'll bet it is a throwaway for management.

Edit: and I am not sure your point bringing up Frontier and Allegiant.

I think he misunderstood you to mean a throwaway for us.

For us, every job is precious, for the pilots' families and those who depend on them. For management it is just a variable cost item.

JamesBond 05-29-2016 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy (Post 2136750)
I think he misunderstood you to mean a throwaway for us.

For us, every job is precious, for the pilots' families and those who depend on them. For management it is just a variable cost item.

I think it is a throwaway as well for us. At least not one that we should spend a lot on defending. Pound for pound our leverage can be much better spent. imho. Not sure whose jobs you are referring to though. Giving 10 76s to DCI won't even be noticed here. Not one bit.

forgot to bid 05-29-2016 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2136701)
I am opposed to pay banding until we reach 5:15 per day of Pay and credit vacation.

This would offset the job loss.

Since we only asked for 4:00 per day of vacation in 2018, I am opposed to pay Banding.

Since Bastian revealed that he is returning almost $4 Billion annually to the shareholders, I oppose and concession or change that would reduce positions, jobs, staffing.

Why not have 5.15 per day from vacation and pay without giving up pay banding? It'd be even more jobs.

forgot to bid 05-29-2016 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 2136739)
I disagree. Their model is fixable with new large jets which bring in the revenue to increase pay for pilots. Frontier, Allegiant, SkyWest and even Endeavor are doing fine for now.

Their model is mostly broken only if we hold the line. Let us give them Delta jobs.

Not a throwaway item; more valuable to us than the company.

If you did a company 5 year wish list for DCI, what do you think it'd be now that the CS100 are on the way and they have Endeavor, Republic financing, 88s going away, some 320s kicking the bucket, and upgauging via 321s and 739s?

Where does DCI go from today?

tunes 05-29-2016 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136738)
DCI is a failed model. They can't staff the ones they have. Throwaway item.

scope is never a throw away item......that's what got us in this **** show to begin with.

GogglesPisano 05-29-2016 06:29 AM

They can have buddy passes and bump up the downtown hotels to 14hrs.

Free Bird 05-29-2016 06:34 AM

The selling of vacation is going to be a problem for me, that is a big productivity concession.

BobZ 05-29-2016 06:35 AM

Pay banding is a DOA item 4 me.

Anything materially less than the re-opener is DOA for me.

The issue pay banding allegedly will address can just as easily be resolved with expanding the bypass pay model to the entire group.

And that solution solves managements problem.... in our favor.

TED74 05-29-2016 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2136781)
They can have buddy passes and bump up the downtown hotels to 14hrs.

I could support these concessions.

TED74 05-29-2016 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2136785)
The issue pay banding allegedly will address can just as easily be resolved with expanding the bypass pay model to the entire group.

And that solution solves managements problem.... in our favor.

I've never heard of this idea - interesting! Confirm that the pilot would "opt in" to accept bypass and it wouldn't be forced upon him (perhaps until within X months of retirement)?


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