Management is facing a training churn in the coming years that will perhaps be unmanageable.

The argument for pay banding is it mitigates the economic incentive to bidding similar seat positions for incremental bumps. Its a concession on our part, and a bad idea.

Pay protecting, for some period of time, those senior to a junior bidder.....limited by category, or base, or as training limits/capacities dictate would provide an equally effective mitigation to biding seat position for an incremental bump in pay... and limit flooding the training pipeline.

Of course that solution would not be concessionary..... for us at least.

I disagree.

I think the point you're missing is this: If you relax scope on 76 seat RJs, they'll park the 50 seaters and they can use two 76 seat crews to get the same production as three 50 seat crews. Thus fewer RJ pilots will be needed. Then they'll use those 76 seaters to replace A319's, A320's, 71's and 73's.

Two 76 seat RJ's have roughly the same capacity, (but more frequencies and a LOT more high-yielding first class seats) as a single 717 or 319. Three 76 seat RJ's will replace 737's, MD-80's and 320's and Delta will gain 3 times the frequency plus 24 additional first class seats.

Yes the DCI model (as it currently exists) IS failed. But that doesn't mean that they can't tweak it a bit and make it work again, IF YOU LET THEM.... at the cost of mainline jobs. They'll take as much as you'll let them have.

We are hiring 1000 guys a year for the next 10 years. So is UAL/AAL/FDX/UPS and even SWA/JBU are hiring a ton. This is a self-limiting non issue. But hey if ya'll want to waste money on it far be it for me to get in the way. They aren't going to "tweak" the DCI model anywhere near enough to keep guys from leaving. Except the lifers and DUIs. It is still going to be crap work for crap wages.

If the model is self defeating, then at some point that flying has to come back to mainline. Why not now?

That's fine with me. I just don't want to overpay to get it back. Frankly I'd rather let it die on it's own.

Agreed then. Don't put it on life support. Let it die on its own. NO to SCOPE concessions large and small.

No sir, scope is not a throwaway item.

If we give it away when times are good, we get burned by it when times are bad.

What are we giving away exactly?

I agree with everything you said, I think 007 was referring to Jerry's bullet point about no more 76 seaters for DCI.