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06-07-2016 | 03:17 PM
#61
Straight QOL, homie
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
If we get a concesssionary TA, and trip7 rails against it, I promise to eat my words. Until then, I consider him attempting to regain his tattered credibility by turning his back on the product he did everything within his power to sell here.
I do agree with you that new guys must have a laser focus on long-term scope.
06-07-2016 | 03:39 PM
#62
The Brown Dot +1
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I have to break from you hear, scambo. With all of Moak's scumbags popping out of the woodwork on Facebook, and now trip7's miraculous salvation, I smell a rat.
If we get a concesssionary TA, and trip7 rails against it, I promise to eat my words. Until then, I consider him attempting to regain his tattered credibility by turning his back on the product he did everything within his power to sell here.
I do agree with you that new guys must have a laser focus on long-term scope.
If we get a concesssionary TA, and trip7 rails against it, I promise to eat my words. Until then, I consider him attempting to regain his tattered credibility by turning his back on the product he did everything within his power to sell here.
I do agree with you that new guys must have a laser focus on long-term scope.
As an aside, I dont really know what Moaks boys think they will accomplish. They are the last group of pilots I ever want to see doing union work again. They are toxic at this point.
In todays environment, their scheme is a failure from the outset. The USAFA honor council games that theyve been playing for the last 25+ years have been shown the light of day. Their tactics and the outcome resulting from them are a failure from the outset. Their pathetic echo chamber of schemers have been outed and they are done.
06-07-2016 | 08:54 PM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
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Trip 7, I may owe you an apology. Your last several posts have demonstrated you are not just repeating a mantra. I am both surprised and impressed.
I am aware you have not been here long. For those of us who have been, the ride has not been what was expected.
Our most senior guys, the ones everyone thinks had a storybook career have had the rug pulled out from them many, many times, starting with the B scale. They are approaching a retirement that is a shadow of what they signed up for. The list is much longer but its a start...
The mid pack guys experienced furloughs, bankruptcy, PRP, a decade of stagnation, witnessed the outsourcing of narrow and now widebody jobs, loss of retirement, continued bankruptcy era concessions, etc... Often facilitated by our CBA.
The new guys have the opportunities that none of us endured and the potential for "dream" careers due to the quickening pace of retirements.
My caution to new guys is dont focus on 1-5 years from now. Focus on the next 20-30 years and get smart about scope, your futures depend on it.
Anyway, I am satisfied that you are reading thru the lines and I commend you for that.
I am aware you have not been here long. For those of us who have been, the ride has not been what was expected.
Our most senior guys, the ones everyone thinks had a storybook career have had the rug pulled out from them many, many times, starting with the B scale. They are approaching a retirement that is a shadow of what they signed up for. The list is much longer but its a start...
The mid pack guys experienced furloughs, bankruptcy, PRP, a decade of stagnation, witnessed the outsourcing of narrow and now widebody jobs, loss of retirement, continued bankruptcy era concessions, etc... Often facilitated by our CBA.
The new guys have the opportunities that none of us endured and the potential for "dream" careers due to the quickening pace of retirements.
My caution to new guys is dont focus on 1-5 years from now. Focus on the next 20-30 years and get smart about scope, your futures depend on it.
Anyway, I am satisfied that you are reading thru the lines and I commend you for that.
I completely understand your point of view. I believe there are around 8900 other pilots like you who are dead zoners and will be short of the $3.6 million needed to have a 180k per year retirement for 20 years. Hopefully significant progress will be made towards making you all whole again.
06-08-2016 | 04:32 AM
#64
Looking for a laugh
Joined: Feb 2008
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When one doesn't constantly keep changing screen names every time one is deemed irrelevant, the post count can get high. What would be the post count for you, say, if we add up all your screen names?
06-08-2016 | 10:04 AM
#65
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So it's possible he could have even more than 15,000 posts. Wow, but back on topic. In his long 15 year ALPA career Bartels, list the improvements to our contract that Bartels is responsible for. After 15 years it should be quite a long list.
06-08-2016 | 10:27 AM
#66
Works Every Weekend
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From: 737 ATL
I consider that unlikely. There's no doubt management would love to have the Moakists back, but it would be way too risky to stall the process long enough to see if that happened. Pilot group anger would be explosive by then.
Besides, I think even management probably agrees with your assessment regarding the Moakists:
"They are toxic at this point".
06-08-2016 | 10:31 AM
#67
Da Hudge
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
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From: Poodle Whisperer
No matter what good Curly has done in the past, he's undoing it by actively cheering for failure. Truly despicable behavior.
And by the way, Curly amassed nearly the amount of posts I have here in almost 10 years in only 2 at chitchat. So, if you want to throw that stone...
06-08-2016 | 10:36 AM
#69
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Harwood's missives are mostly just self-serving attempts at rehabilitating his reputation but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be wary. Those guys are always plotting something. Some of the old guard are rumored to have approached their friends in management about working together to help them return to power.
I consider that unlikely. There's no doubt management would love to have the Moakists back, but it would be way too risky to stall the process long enough to see if that happened. Pilot group anger would be explosive by then.
Besides, I think even management probably agrees with your assessment regarding the Moakists:
"They are toxic at this point".
I consider that unlikely. There's no doubt management would love to have the Moakists back, but it would be way too risky to stall the process long enough to see if that happened. Pilot group anger would be explosive by then.
Besides, I think even management probably agrees with your assessment regarding the Moakists:
"They are toxic at this point".
06-08-2016 | 10:37 AM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
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