Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 2152546)

Those same two years worth of resumes "on file" are also on file at AA, UAL, SWA, and FedEx. In two years when they have no applicants, they are going to come to us and look for JV scope relief because we won't have bodies to fly the domestic schedule and international schedule. It will become our problem to solve once again.

AA already has us beat as far as seniority progression. UAL beats us in widebody flying opportunies and career earnings...10 year 787 FO's over there are making more than our 20 year narrowbody captains right now. FedEx has a retirement. Coming to DAL guarantees you a 717 job in LGA, paying $3000 for a hotel during training, and another $1500 for a uniform.

Industry leading payrates, JV scope, newhire uniforms and hotels paid for might help.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 2152546)

Those same two years worth of resumes "on file" are also on file at AA, UAL, SWA, and FedEx. In two years when they have no applicants, they are going to come to us and look for JV scope relief because we won't have bodies to fly the domestic schedule and international schedule. It will become our problem to solve once again.

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2152624)

That doesn't sound like a union problem. Sounds like the company is going to have to come to grips with the fact that they're not going to be able to get that perfect pilot anymore and they're going to have to start accepting mere mortals as new hires.

If you guys cave on scope before your company bleeds the regionals, LCCs etc. dry of pilots then you get what you deserve.

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2152624)

That doesn't sound like a union problem. Sounds like the company is going to have to come to grips with the fact that they're not going to be able to get that perfect pilot anymore and they're going to have to start accepting mere mortals as new hires.

If you guys cave on scope before your company bleeds the regionals, LCCs etc. dry of pilots then you get what you deserve.

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2152624)

That doesn't sound like a union problem. Sounds like the company is going to have to come to grips with the fact that they're not going to be able to get that perfect pilot anymore and they're going to have to start accepting mere mortals as new hires.

If you guys cave on scope before your company bleeds the regionals, LCCs etc. dry of pilots then you get what you deserve.

Originally Posted by Dat jet (Post 2153873)

Allegiant....now UPS

Hopefully this helps Delta and SWA

http://inside.ipapilot.org/ta2016/video1slides.pdf

UPS has a TA....and the pay scales look pretty good....and value is added to their pension. I'm not an expert on their wants and needs, but this TA was unanimously passed by their union leadership. It doesn't look like they get retro, but they do get a signing bonus.

Originally Posted by Dat jet (Post 2153873)

Allegiant....now UPS

Hopefully this helps Delta and SWA

http://inside.ipapilot.org/ta2016/video1slides.pdf

UPS has a TA....and the pay scales look pretty good....and value is added to their pension. I'm not an expert on their wants and needs, but this TA was unanimously passed by their union leadership. It doesn't look like they get retro, but they do get a signing bonus.

Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 2153920)

What we Deltoids need to look at is page 6 of the presentation. It shows the top rate and percentage of Captains at that rate. We have 7% at the top rate while our peers at UAL and AA have double and triple that amount of pilots at the top rate.