Disturbing? yup. Surprising? not one bit. Do you think we would get full retro after 4.5 years in the box? Certainly ain't gonna happen with anything approaching a 14% (or hopefully more) pay increase. That 14.65% is about 3% per year compounded over those 4.5 years of negotiations. Is this a good deal?

How do we beat that with equipment pay?

Pay needs to be simplified. 2-3 categories, or straight longevity. The latter will obviously not sell well with the 777 guys. But we only have, what 200 of those guys on the property?

That logic can go both ways. For instance, FO's and LCA trip drops. Slippery slope. Hopefully, we find a path everyone can walk

ding ding ding

"The needs of the many...." - Spock

I'm a 777 guy and I've never heard any 777 guys say words to that effect. In fact, I think if we did pay band all wide body aircraft to the 777 pay rate, after restoring the 777 to above 2004 rates, everyone would be fine with it.

Then, just to keep it fair, we would of course run a huge -rebid- of all those categories, so the junior guys who already have bid up, or have had to commute to get 777 pay, but have been stuck on reserve or flying the crappiest schedules, can bid back down to where they would be senior enough to get off reserve and fly all the best A330 and 767ER layovers, maybe in their home bases too!

Be careful what you ask for, there will be unforeseen consequences if we go to full pay banding.

You fail to mention they had the highest pay in aviation throughout those 4.5 years and just tagged on another 29% compounded over 5 years.

Figured it out. :)

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Hey how about we take the monthly pilot payroll and just deposit it all in one account.....and then divide it up by the total umber of pilots.... and send everyone the same check?

You know....needs of the many and all.......g.m.a.f.b.

Someone correct a noob, but wouldn't longevity pay destroy movement? Only guys retiring would open slots? If so, that is a seniority heavy concept