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Black Coffee 07-12-2016 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2159729)
This is critical information.



In my opinion, the Southwest pilots will soon have a new TA.



I believe the 737 captain rate will be $280 per hour.



Their hour is :54 minutes.



Therefore you need to add 11% to get an equivalent for our contract.



$280 X 11% = $311.



Once they have a new TA $311 per hour for a 737 captain will be the rate all our hourly rates will be based off of.



Time is on our side.



Patient for the right deal.
__________________
Jerry Fielding



Please put the crack pipe down, and the book on Herb called Nuts. I work for a corporation that despises its pilots. They blame us for their management failures, like the -300's going into retirement. We have 12 hour duty day international turns, and we are not allowed to get off the airplane. The director of flight ops tells us to grab a muffin at the hotel before you start your day, we are not provided food by the company. Our hotels suck, we stay at a lot of holiday Inn's. In fact scheduling asks our pilots to sleep in the crew room when they can't find a hotel for you on a reroute.
We are 4 years past due on a contract and our management believes Allegiant pilots are overpaid. If you think time is on your side, good luck. Do you think they hired Randy Babbitt to negotiate against employees for good will?

WHACKMASTER 07-12-2016 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2157630)
In my opinion an agreement at SWA is imminent.



No one should doubt they will use the UPS rates, pension, vacation, etc. to lead the industry.



Remember their hour is 54 minutes. So add 11% to their new 737 rate and that will be our new minimum on the 737.



How refreshing to see management foot dragging work in our favor.



Long overdue.



United--No concessions



UPS--No concessions



Allegiant--No concessions



FedEx--No concessions



Delta--?


__________________
Jerry Fielding


Bahahaha. I wish our pilot group could be as optimistic about this as you are but in reality the company is dragging their feet in a big way and the pilots aren't mad enough to force the issue (not sure if they ever will be). I don't see an acceptable TA in sight until the MAX shows up next year and they start getting parked because we won't fly them. You're being a little too optimistic about things me thinks.


Btw, the conversion is 15% not 11%. So 1 hour of block at the "normal" airlines equates to 1.15 TFP.

Multiple our rates by 1.15 to get the hourly conversion.

WHACKMASTER 07-12-2016 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2158865)
Hard to believe after 4 years people aren't bringing the place to a standstill.

THIS!!!! We could have a contract at SWA if people would just use some common sense. :mad:

JamesBond 07-12-2016 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2160045)
Given the actual WN pilots inputs in here vs. Jerry's ramblings, it looks like they are expecting us to do the heavy lifting yet again. It would be nice if they led instead of followed for once...

Oh this is gold. http://www.volnation.com/forum/image...lt/popcorn.gif

JamesBond 07-12-2016 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2160148)
Please put the crack pipe down, and the book on Herb called Nuts. I work for a corporation that despises its pilots. They blame us for their management failures, like the -300's going into retirement. We have 12 hour duty day international turns, and we are not allowed to get off the airplane. The director of flight ops tells us to grab a muffin at the hotel before you start your day, we are not provided food by the company. Our hotels suck, we stay at a lot of holiday Inn's. In fact scheduling asks our pilots to sleep in the crew room when they can't find a hotel for you on a reroute.
We are 4 years past due on a contract and our management believes Allegiant pilots are overpaid. If you think time is on your side, good luck. Do you think they hired Randy Babbitt to negotiate against employees for good will?

Yet ya'll still taxi at V1-5knots.

Black Coffee 07-12-2016 08:11 AM

Oh, and you guys realize we have zero retirement guarantee at SWA? 10% of our pilot group receives zero dollars in retirement from the company.

The old kool aid narrative from company pilots that would end up in our union, is that we can't ask for retirement because the company would have to give it to the flight attendats too.
Our own union would compare us to flight attendants for compensation, not Delta pilots.

Black Coffee 07-12-2016 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2160195)
Yet ya'll still taxi at V1-5knots.

I know, we have a group at SWA that does not know how to act like a union yet. Its their first airline job and they have learned nothing, even though they have been at SWA 20 years.

WHACKMASTER 07-12-2016 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2160205)
I know, we have a group at SWA that does not know how to act like a union yet. Its their first airline job and they have learned nothing, even though they have been at SWA 20 years.

Precisely. Fortunately not everyone taxies at ludacrous speed and it seems that there is less and less of that going on (but still WAY too much).

We were on a parallel taxiway a few weeks ago and doing 12 knots. Our own company aircraft that was behind us pipes up on ground freq and asks, "Is everything okay up there guys?" I refrained from replying and so did the ground controller. DOUCHEBAG!!

Elliot 07-12-2016 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2160215)
We were on a parallel taxiway a few weeks ago and doing 12 knots. Our own company aircraft that was behind us pipes up on ground freq and asks, "Is everything okay up there guys?" I refrained from replying and so did the ground controller. DOUCHEBAG!!

Luke AFBaby..

WHACKMASTER 07-12-2016 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 2160514)
Luke AFBaby..

Funny you should write that as it did indeed happen in PHX. Shocking......I know.


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