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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2165582)
Is it worth scuttling an otherwise potentially good deal?
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Originally Posted by Banzai
(Post 2165583)
That's how it appears to me. I don't think I like this VB thing, for a number of reasons.
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I personally like the way the company handles it's need for flexibility now.
The additional deadheading creates more pilot need and more opportunity. For the pilot's that commute they get paid for the deadhead and positive space direct to the departure airport. My question is there any real benefit to virtual basing (other than to management), even for someone who lives in the base during the time it's active? Why give up the paid deadheads and positive space? |
Originally Posted by casual observer
(Post 2165613)
I personally like the way the company handles it's need for flexibility now.
The additional deadheading creates more pilot need and more opportunity. For the pilot's that commute they get paid for the deadhead and positive space direct to the departure airport. My question is there any real benefit to virtual basing (other than to management), even for someone who lives in the base during the time it's active? Why give up the paid deadheads and positive space? |
Originally Posted by SluggoC17
(Post 2165573)
I've got some questions and concerns for those that know better:
Sick Leave · Verification not required until the first sick call in a bid period after the pilot has used more than 100 sick leave hours in the previous 12 bid periods; a pilot who has used less than 100 sick leave hours in the preceding 12 bid periods will have no obligation to provide verification in the current bid period, other than under a good faith basis So if we use 100 hours due to a broken bone, and then get a cold on hr 101, we now have to verify from that point on? Will the company pay for all of those verifications? · Eliminates voluntary verification As of now if we have 100 hours and use 15, but verify those 15, we return to our 100 hours of unverified leave. But based on this it sounds like we can no longer get those 15 hours back even if we verify, correct? So now we're down to 85 no matter what? I believe in the last TA there were provisions to excuse things like surgery, broken bones, etc. This would of course have to be part of any attempt to remove voluntary verification. As pointed out last year, the person who would be hit hardest by this would be someone with a severe sprain or the like that didn't qualify for any exception but still would eat up all of the 100 hours then be faced with 365 days of 100% verification. The rest of the changes look like they could *possibly* be worth consideration, but I don't understand why the company is so hard-up to remove the voluntary verification. And why don't they change everyone's sick leave anny. to DOH? This seems like a no-brainer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Pathetic. Time to eject this NC or eject ALPA.
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 2165623)
I believe in the last TA there were provisions to excuse things like surgery, broken bones, etc. This would of course have to be part of any attempt to remove voluntary verification. As pointed out last year, the person who would be hit hardest by this would be someone with a severe sprain or the like that didn't qualify for any exception but still would eat up all of the 100 hours then be faced with 365 days of 100% verification.
The rest of the changes look like they could *possibly* be worth consideration, but I don't understand why the company is so hard-up to remove the voluntary verification. And why don't they change everyone's sick leave anny. to DOH? This seems like a no-brainer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 2165610)
Who said it was a good deal?
And the gets? Drop a trip for a vacation day (yawn). Get a room for a training that starts before 9am (yellow 901am start time). A dime extra for per diem...some other minimal stuff here and there... yawn. The pay will have to be large. The change to PS will have to be NONE. Vacation will have to be more thanb +15 mins/day. Surprised I didn't see Split duty periods in there just as much as I expected to see hotels for new hires. I've got friends who have Delta at the bottom of their list... don't see that changing with this unless the Pay is stupendous. (It won't be) Note: I sometimes think the company tries to get stuff in the PWA that they already do, but want to get something in return for. The $100 travel expense for getting SC pilots to EWR is a great example. Gotta wonder if this is a conversation that takes place a few times a week: Scheduling: Hey, you've got a trip starting with a sign-in 1.5 hours from now in EWR. How quick can you make it? SC Pilot: Well, I'm at my crash pad and well, I gotta get on the bus a 1/4 mile away, get on the subway, change to the other subway line... get on the bus...yadda yadda yaddah, about 2 and a half hours. Scheduling: Well, I know you can get a cab for under $100 and that'll get you there in about 1 hour. Just submit the expense and I'll put a note it's authorized. |
Originally Posted by SluggoC17
(Post 2165573)
I've got some questions and concerns for those that know better:
Sick Leave · Verification not required until the first sick call in a bid period after the pilot has used more than 100 sick leave hours in the previous 12 bid periods; a pilot who has used less than 100 sick leave hours in the preceding 12 bid periods will have no obligation to provide verification in the current bid period, other than under a good faith basis So if we use 100 hours due to a broken bone, and then get a cold on hr 101, we now have to verify from that point on? Will the company pay for all of those verifications? · Eliminates voluntary verification As of now if we have 100 hours and use 15, but verify those 15, we return to our 100 hours of unverified leave. But based on this it sounds like we can no longer get those 15 hours back even if we verify, correct? So now we're down to 85 no matter what?
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2165582)
Is it worth scuttling an otherwise potentially good deal?
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We'll see how much the company opens up their pocket book. Clearly less onerous gives in what has been put out so far with some definite gets. The company is on very thin ice on this going nuclear.
I'm very thankful for such a transparent NC/MEC... what a change from the previous smartest men in the room! |
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