Even the casual observer recognizes the airline industry has changed. Massive and unbelievable profits, investment grade stock, buy backs and now, a demand for qualified pilots.

A new mentality is required to take advantage of the current situation. Old ways of thinking put us where we are right now. Agreeing to a concessionary contract 6 months before the amendable date was a huge mistake by ALPA.

Every February, we will see the remaining benefit we haven't given away. The negotiating process doesn't demand we concede. It seems many see the negotiations as a time to fix the company's problems and hand them hard fought benefits. It doesn't have to be that way. Google "backbone", "fortitude".

The industry was not stable and wildly profitable like it is now.

We could add 30% and still not "leapfrog" ups and fed ex.

But you knew all that.

I missed you, sailingfud. The fear mongering, the condescension, the nonsensical analysis, the 3rd grade grammar and syntax. It's just like old times.

yeah but, yeah but, yeah but.......... look at what they did in bankruptcy. (sarcasm)

This place is a geographical oddity. The time value of money does not exist here. Those American pilots have recovered all that money they lost during those years, and much much more. (again, sarcasm)

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Originally Posted by Schwanker
If any relief is given, it must be sunset on the PWA amendable date.





Unfortunately sun-setting is very real and we are currently on the wrong end of it via C-2012.

In C-2012 we had a 3B5 provision that if management tried to circumvent the 3B4 "Me too" provision with employee bonuses vice a raise it would trigger a pay-off for the Pilots. Well guess what? The 3B5 ended last year.

So now the company can fairly easily avoid a 3B4 payout by giving other employees a one time bonus. Some will argue a status-quo violation but I kinda doubt it.

On a more positive note we now have precedent for sun-setting in our PWA so it sure would be nice if the NC would use it. Furthermore it sunset for no apparent reason other than the company wanted it. A sun-setting clause for a short term company "need" would seem a very logical solution to more than one issue in our PWA.

Scoop

Yes it is a thing. I believe it was 3B5 (or possibly 3B6) was sunsetted end of last contract.

Mostly because I am a masochist, someone please clarify what constitutes a tier 3-4 candidate. I am curious as to how bad I actually am to have not been called yet.

2 dui's, incomplete college, accident or incident attributable to pilot error, multiple checkride failures of the same checkride, incessant drooling or snot hanging out of your nose.

Tier 1. Former stripper, redhead or hairdresser.

There are no tiers 2,3,4. Tier 1, you get the invite. If the pool of invitees get too low, they readjust the criteria to produce an new list of "Tier 1".

Girls named "Tiffany".

A 2 at 10 becomes a 10 at 2.........

Careful, a thought process like this could have you going to sleep with Bo Derek and waking up with Bo Diddley!