Tier 3 & 4 Candidates...
07-24-2016, 02:14 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I went back to Delta net to post the numbers for probably the 10th time on here however I can't find them on the new Delta Net.
You forget that there were changes in the contract adding jobs offsetting job loss changes. Even a quick look as I posted earlier on the fleet size changes makes it obvious there was little to no job loss. The last time I posted the numbers here block hours were up around 12% total. International was flat and domestic up over 20% for a net gain of 12. Total pilots onboard were up the same.
You forget that there were changes in the contract adding jobs offsetting job loss changes. Even a quick look as I posted earlier on the fleet size changes makes it obvious there was little to no job loss. The last time I posted the numbers here block hours were up around 12% total. International was flat and domestic up over 20% for a net gain of 12. Total pilots onboard were up the same.
WRT your point about fleet size, that increase is primarily driven by the current and future market for pilots. With the much anticipated age 65 bow wave hitting coupled with the hiring sprees at other airlines, the commuters can't staff to meet legacies' needs so more flying is coming back in house. Add to that our fallout with Alaskan and there's your growth.
I think you were on the DAL Poolie thread right after the NA15 vote lamenting that DAL was slowing hiring due to the E190 order cancellation. And now you're giddy in praising the increased hiring numbers. So it seems you now agree the fleet/hiring increase has nothing to do with the TA.
07-24-2016, 02:22 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify
We'll have to agree to disagree on your jobs gains/losses offset assertion.
WRT your point about fleet size, that increase is primarily driven by the current and future market for pilots. With the much anticipated age 65 bow wave hitting coupled with the hiring sprees at other airlines, the commuters can't staff to meet legacies' needs so more flying is coming back in house. Add to that our fallout with Alaskan and there's your growth.
I think you were on the DAL Poolie thread right after the NA15 vote lamenting that DAL was slowing hiring due to the E190 order cancellation. And now you're giddy in praising the increased hiring numbers. So it seems you now agree the fleet/hiring increase has nothing to do with the TA.
WRT your point about fleet size, that increase is primarily driven by the current and future market for pilots. With the much anticipated age 65 bow wave hitting coupled with the hiring sprees at other airlines, the commuters can't staff to meet legacies' needs so more flying is coming back in house. Add to that our fallout with Alaskan and there's your growth.
I think you were on the DAL Poolie thread right after the NA15 vote lamenting that DAL was slowing hiring due to the E190 order cancellation. And now you're giddy in praising the increased hiring numbers. So it seems you now agree the fleet/hiring increase has nothing to do with the TA.
Last edited by sailingfun; 07-24-2016 at 02:37 PM.
07-24-2016, 02:32 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify
We'll have to agree to disagree on your jobs gains/losses offset assertion.
WRT your point about fleet size, that increase is primarily driven by the current and future market for pilots. With the much anticipated age 65 bow wave hitting coupled with the hiring sprees at other airlines, the commuters can't staff to meet legacies' needs so more flying is coming back in house. Add to that our fallout with Alaskan and there's your growth.
I think you were on the DAL Poolie thread right after the NA15 vote lamenting that DAL was slowing hiring due to the E190 order cancellation. And now you're giddy in praising the increased hiring numbers. So it seems you now agree the fleet/hiring increase has nothing to do with the TA.
WRT your point about fleet size, that increase is primarily driven by the current and future market for pilots. With the much anticipated age 65 bow wave hitting coupled with the hiring sprees at other airlines, the commuters can't staff to meet legacies' needs so more flying is coming back in house. Add to that our fallout with Alaskan and there's your growth.
I think you were on the DAL Poolie thread right after the NA15 vote lamenting that DAL was slowing hiring due to the E190 order cancellation. And now you're giddy in praising the increased hiring numbers. So it seems you now agree the fleet/hiring increase has nothing to do with the TA.
I would however say increased hiring is a good thing would you not? The increase in hiring does baffle me a bit since we have reduced the A350 orders and the C100 shows up later then the E190's were coming. I understand the MEC got a interesting fleet plan brief from the company and a hiring update. I have no details. I thought perhaps the dangling orders comment related to that.
This summer on international has been the worst loads I have seen in a long time. I have been easily able to take family with me on S3B's. I fear for what marketing plans to Europe next year which again leaves me baffled on the hiring.
07-24-2016, 03:16 PM
#76
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There was and is no company with a plan to reengine 50 seaters. It would take years to get such a program certified and the engines are pretty good on them now. Not once did I see anyone say they would reengine them. They did say the engines were coming due for overhauls and mro capacity was limited do it had to be locked in soon. No idea if that was true or not.
As far as orders are they dangling any now?
Here is a nice summary that seems somewhat unbiased about our contracts. His numbers look correct.
ANALYSIS: Delta Pilots Ask for 40% Raise
As far as orders are they dangling any now?
Here is a nice summary that seems somewhat unbiased about our contracts. His numbers look correct.
ANALYSIS: Delta Pilots Ask for 40% Raise
07-24-2016, 06:14 PM
#80
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Speaking of who said what - help me out here. Late last summer/last fall when the announced hiring numbers were adjusted down someone was posting that it was due to the TA being voted down and no 190s coming.
Well how has that worked out?
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Well how has that worked out?
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