Tier 3 & 4 Candidates...
07-24-2016, 06:15 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Speaking of who said what - help me out here. Late last summer/last fall when the announced hiring numbers were adjusted down someone was posting that it was due to the TA being voted down and no 190s coming.
Well how has that worked out?
Scoop
Well how has that worked out?
Scoop
07-24-2016, 06:50 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Unless there are offsets in other areas yes.
Shouldn't we dedicate ourselves to improvements in every section?
07-25-2016, 02:58 AM
#83
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Is "offsets" another word for cost-neutral? Why must we trade one for one?
Shouldn't we dedicate ourselves to improvements in every section?
Shouldn't we dedicate ourselves to improvements in every section?
You do have to make your case that a need is realistic and justified. Fail to do that and the NMB can and should side with the opposition.
That is one of the biggest parts of negotiations.
07-25-2016, 03:26 AM
#84
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Why do they NEED:
Profit sharing concessions?
Virtual Basing?
Scope Concessions?
Sick Leave Concessions?
3b4 Concessions?
Sorry. I just don't see any operational requirement for any of this. Why are we even talking this crap?
The only operational requirement I could possibly (and I'm don't see it) is how to squeeze more new hires through the pipeline. If any relief is given, it must be sunset on the PWA amendable date.
Profit sharing concessions?
Virtual Basing?
Scope Concessions?
Sick Leave Concessions?
3b4 Concessions?
Sorry. I just don't see any operational requirement for any of this. Why are we even talking this crap?
The only operational requirement I could possibly (and I'm don't see it) is how to squeeze more new hires through the pipeline. If any relief is given, it must be sunset on the PWA amendable date.
07-25-2016, 03:37 AM
#85
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Because the process demands that both sides negotiate and attempt to address perceived needs. If we are unwilling to do that the process will lock us out of anything.
You do have to make your case that a need is realistic and justified. Fail to do that and the NMB can and should side with the opposition.
That is one of the biggest parts of negotiations.
You do have to make your case that a need is realistic and justified. Fail to do that and the NMB can and should side with the opposition.
That is one of the biggest parts of negotiations.
07-25-2016, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
If any relief is given, it must be sunset on the PWA amendable date.
07-25-2016, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
If you look at the jaw-dropping amount of profit Delta diverts to stock buybacks and then determine management's "needs" are "realistic and justified", you should have your head examined!
07-25-2016, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Somehow you have your role with the company confused. You are a line on a expense report. Nothing more or less. You're labor that is sadly shackled by the RLA. You are forced to negotiate via the NMB. You can spend 10 minutes on google and learn a lot about how that process works. Realistic and justified in the eyes of the NMB have nothing to do with the items you post.
07-25-2016, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Somehow you have your role with the company confused. You are a line on a expense report. Nothing more or less. You're labor that is sadly shackled by the RLA. You are forced to negotiate via the NMB. You can spend 10 minutes on google and learn a lot about how that process works. Realistic and justified in the eyes of the NMB have nothing to do with the items you post.
07-25-2016, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
10 minutes is up. I learned a little, but nothing along the lines of assessing needs. If you have a reference to point me to, I'd be most appreciative.
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